Harry Potter, the Psychic Boss and the Laneways of Doom

kim wrote:
the nunber of mind bending offroad adventures i've had in an old beat up
FWD subaru would prolly scare the pants of most urban 4WD owners. in
fact, the places i've seen rear wheel drive kombis scares even me!

real 4WDs don't have power steering or airconditioning.

This thread is a bit of a gravedig.

My Magna has seen more bush than 90% of Melbourne 4wd's GUARANTEED!
I will admit to having power steering but there's no aircon (a car from
Mildura without aircon - WTF were they thinking?!?!).

Didn't anyone do physics at school?

PE probably, and probaby drama...
certainly not physics and history.

Some, but really, how much attention did you/we/I pay?
I suffered with uni physicks because I didn't do any physucks in VCE.
That was a mistake! :S

hippy
"Physics blows!"

kim wrote:

the nunber of mind bending offroad adventures i've had in an old beat
up FWD subaru would prolly scare the pants of most urban 4WD owners.
in fact, the places i've seen rear wheel drive kombis scares even me!
real 4WDs don't have power steering or airconditioning.

I can assure you that the 3.2 tonne Landcruisers we have at our local
volunteeer fire station do have power steering and air-con. They also manage
to go some scary places where I wouldn't consider taking my son-in-law's
Forester.

PS: some of that country doesn't look as scary in the dark.

Theo

Theo Bekkers wrote:

kim wrote:

the nunber of mind bending offroad adventures i've had in an old beat
up FWD subaru would prolly scare the pants of most urban 4WD owners.
in fact, the places i've seen rear wheel drive kombis scares even me!
real 4WDs don't have power steering or airconditioning.

I can assure you that the 3.2 tonne Landcruisers we have at our local
volunteeer fire station do have power steering and air-con. They also manage
to go some scary places where I wouldn't consider taking my son-in-law's
Forester.

PS: some of that country doesn't look as scary in the dark.

Theo

Isn't a Forester an AWD not a 4WD?

I'd argue that real 4WD are khaki and cam and have a radio stack in the
back, but let's face it, they're a piece of poo. The Landcruisers are
really, really nice off road though.

~t

Tamyka Bell wrote:
Theo Bekkers wrote:

I can assure you that the 3.2 tonne Landcruisers we have at our local
volunteeer fire station do have power steering and air-con. They
also manage to go some scary places where I wouldn't consider taking
my son-in-law's Forester.

PS: some of that country doesn't look as scary in the dark.

Isn't a Forester an AWD not a 4WD?

I was using it as a comparison to Kim's FWD Subaru, the Forester is an AWD
Subaru which would certainly go places a FWD Subaru won't go.

I'd argue that real 4WD are khaki and cam and have a radio stack in
the back, but let's face it, they're a piece of poo. The Landcruisers
are really, really nice off road though.

By the time it's loaded with a 600 litre water-tank, a pump and a whole
bunch of other gear, they are at their load limit. And they still go in
incredible places. Khaki is a bit old, most commercial vehicles are white.

Theo

"Tamyka Bell" wrote in message
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Theo Bekkers wrote:

kim wrote:

the nunber of mind bending offroad adventures i've had in an old beat
up FWD subaru would prolly scare the pants of most urban 4WD owners.
in fact, the places i've seen rear wheel drive kombis scares even me!
real 4WDs don't have power steering or airconditioning.

I can assure you that the 3.2 tonne Landcruisers we have at our local
volunteeer fire station do have power steering and air-con. They also
manage
to go some scary places where I wouldn't consider taking my son-in-law's
Forester.

PS: some of that country doesn't look as scary in the dark.

Theo

Isn't a Forester an AWD not a 4WD?

I'd argue that real 4WD are khaki and cam and have a radio stack in the
back, but let's face it, they're a piece of poo. The Landcruisers are
really, really nice off road though.

~t

I'd argue that too but I prefer the Rovers bigger, much bigger, German made
cousins. I've seen Landcruiser Troop Carriers get bogged in the same places
I had just driven a Landrover 110 thru. They're just that little bit too
heavy for getting through the deep muddy stuff without getting stuck.

If you're after the best four wheeled off road vehicle you can't go past the
Mercedes Unimog or if you're after the ultimate go anywhere vehicle the
Leopard Armoured Recovery Vehicle (ARVM) would have to be it - better than a
Leopard Tank because it's not carring the weight of a turret and a gun plus
it's got more room to mount the bike racks :-). But don't let the Mums and
Dads in their "never been off the bitumen" Off-Roaders dropping their kids
of at school know about the ARVM cos it would make for some really bad
outcomes if anything, let alone cyclists, got in their way.

Geoff

Geoff Wrote:
But don't let the Mums and
Dads in their "never been off the bitumen" Off-Roaders dropping thei
kids
of at school know about the ARVM cos it would make for some really bad
outcomes if anything, let alone cyclists, got in their way.

Geoff

what's the top speed of one of these puppies?
if its oz army issue, surely its something someone overseas designate
'past-used-by-date' and would dump on us?
(reminds me of mainstream TV )

F"never buy a chopper. they dont have wings"Dutc

--
flyingdutch

Geoff wrote:
I'd argue that too but I prefer the Rovers bigger, much bigger, German made
cousins. I've seen Landcruiser Troop Carriers get bogged in the same places
I had just driven a Landrover 110 thru. They're just that little bit too
heavy for getting through the deep muddy stuff without getting stuck.

labnd cruisers are very heavy and are prime targets for that rich deep greasy mud =)

If you're after the best four wheeled off road vehicle you can't go past the
Mercedes Unimog or if you're after the ultimate go anywhere vehicle the
Leopard Armoured Recovery Vehicle (ARVM) would have to be it - better than a
Leopard Tank because it's not carring the weight of a turret and a gun plus
it's got more room to mount the bike racks :-). But don't let the Mums and
Dads in their "never been off the bitumen" Off-Roaders dropping their kids
of at school know about the ARVM cos it would make for some really bad
outcomes if anything, let alone cyclists, got in their way.

yup, old school land rovers are pretty amazing, light enough, if a bit under powered.
i wouldn't dare recall the number of times i've had a lift in the back of one due to bicycle failuer or really bad weather =)

i wouldn't go past a lada niva for a cheap offroader that can go anywhere.
did some MTB orienteering many years ago in the ranges around toowoomba.
upgraded with a twin cam 2 litre fiat motor and i recon theres not a SWB 4WD that comes close KW/KG

cheers,

kim

"Geoff" wrote in message
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If you're after the best four wheeled off road vehicle you can't go past
the
Mercedes Unimog or if you're after the ultimate go anywhere vehicle the
Leopard Armoured Recovery Vehicle (ARVM) would have to be it - better than
a
Leopard Tank because it's not carring the weight of a turret and a gun
plus
it's got more room to mount the bike racks :-). But don't let the Mums
and
Dads in their "never been off the bitumen" Off-Roaders dropping their kids
of at school know about the ARVM cos it would make for some really bad
outcomes if anything, let alone cyclists, got in their way.

Nah, they'd be better with the Pinzgauer
http://www.vk-cars.com/media/712M386382.jpg

Fun and games around the little roundabouts :-)

Cheers
Peter

"Geoff" wrote in
:

If you're after the best four wheeled off road vehicle you can't go
past the Mercedes Unimog or if you're after the ultimate go anywhere
vehicle the Leopard Armoured Recovery Vehicle (ARVM)

I've just watched "Long Way Round" with Ewan McGregor and a friend
motorbiking from London to New York via Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan etc.
At several points they come across sections of raod washed away by rivers.
The only vehicle able to get across them were huge three axled trucks. I
think it was a Russian Kamaz truck. I want one of those!

Graeme

"Geoff" wrote in
If you're after the best four wheeled off road vehicle you can't go
past the Mercedes Unimog

The $350,000 price tag on the 'smaller' model is a little off-putting. But
yes, a nice vehicle indeed.

Theo