|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#51
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0700
"burtthebike" wrote: "Rob Morley" wrote in message news:20090802231119.445d9794@bluemoon... On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:57:40 -0700 "burtthebike" wrote: This is actually another urban myth. The only research showing that the helmet fit was necessary for protection was from Thompson, Rivara and Thompson. But if it's uncomfortable or insecure it's reducing your primary safety. How? Distraction. |
Ads |
#52
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:05:53 -0700, "burtthebike"
wrote: snip Nowhere with a helmet law or massive helmet promotion has been able to demonstrate any reduction in risk to cyclists. Cycle training demonstrates considerable reduction in risk to cyclists. Ergo, anyone interested in reducing risk to cyclists would invest in cycle training and not invest in helmets. Yep - go for it - this from the person who has said: "I've examined all the evidence of cycle helmets I can find, and I have been unable to find any benefit." "They cycle helmets are demonstrably a bad thing." So demonstrable that he has never demonstrated the truth of what he claims. -- Vote NO to the proposed group uk.rec.cycling.moderated aka uk.rec.cycling.censored |
#53
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
Simon Brooke wrote:
On 2 Aug, 05:25, "Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% wrote: Simon Brooke wrote : The Snell organisation runs independent tests on helmets and their standards are very slightly more stringent than the European standard. Thanks for the info. ?Are helmets ranked anywhere in terms of safety? I have noticed in a coupe of cases I have seen that the outer shell cracks when subjected to impact and I can only assume that is designed in to absorb the impact. ?Is that the best mechanism for impact absorption or are there lightweight aluminium shells available which deform to absorb the impact? If the foam of the helmet cracks on impact then the helmet has failed. Polystyrene foam absorbs a lot of energy when crushed but very little when broken. However the outer shell's only function is to protect the foam from scuffs and abrasion; if it cracks on impact it's neither here nor there as it has then done it's job. Obviously after any substantial impact the protective ability of the helmet is compromised and it should be discarded (and if you still want one, replaced). The shell has another useful function, which is to slide along the road with less friction than soft polystyrene, which if sliding would tend to grab the road surface irregularities and twist the head sharply round. That's a common cause of brain injury, but not one that currently forms part of the cycle helmet safety standard tests. Of course if it did, then it would probably also find that the currently fashionable well ventilated helmets were more dangerous. -- Chris Malcolm |
#54
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
"Rob Morley" wrote in message news:20090802232718.50db8e11@bluemoon... On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0700 "burtthebike" wrote: "Rob Morley" wrote in message news:20090802231119.445d9794@bluemoon... On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:57:40 -0700 "burtthebike" wrote: This is actually another urban myth. The only research showing that the helmet fit was necessary for protection was from Thompson, Rivara and Thompson. But if it's uncomfortable or insecure it's reducing your primary safety. How? Distraction. Not one of the reasons claimed by TRT when they researched* the subject. *TRT research definition - this is the answer, make up something to show it. |
#55
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
On 2 Aug, 23:12, "burtthebike" wrote:
"Rob Morley" wrote in message news:20090802231119.445d9794@bluemoon... On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:57:40 -0700 "burtthebike" wrote: This is actually another urban myth. *The only research showing that the helmet fit was necessary for protection was from Thompson, Rivara and Thompson. But if it's uncomfortable or insecure it's reducing your primary safety.. How? Look, I'm not arguing that an inch of polystyrene foam is going to protect you if a 40 ton truck goes over you. But if that inch of polystyrene foam slips off your head, or gets pushed off your head, before your head hits the pavement, there wasn't much point in wearing it in the first place. And believe me I've seen many people (particularly children) with helmets so ill-fitting and loose that they would be likely to slip off in a crash. If you're going to argue that helmets aren't worth wearing anyway, then I won't disagree with you - I don't wear one. For me their doubtful benefit from a safety point of view is greatly outweighed by their manifest discomfort and inconvenience. But for people who do choose to wear them, it's important to ensure that the helmet will still be in place on the head when called upon to do its job. |
#56
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
Simon Brooke wrote:
On 2 Aug, 23:12, "burtthebike" wrote: "Rob Morley" wrote in message news:20090802231119.445d9794@bluemoon... On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:57:40 -0700 "burtthebike" wrote: This is actually another urban myth. The only research showing that the helmet fit was necessary for protection was from Thompson, Rivara and Thompson. But if it's uncomfortable or insecure it's reducing your primary safety. How? Look, I'm not arguing that an inch of polystyrene foam is going to protect you if a 40 ton truck goes over you. But if that inch of polystyrene foam slips off your head, or gets pushed off your head, before your head hits the pavement, there wasn't much point in wearing it in the first place. And believe me I've seen many people (particularly children) with helmets so ill-fitting and loose that they would be likely to slip off in a crash. If you're going to argue that helmets aren't worth wearing anyway, then I won't disagree with you - I don't wear one. For me their doubtful benefit from a safety point of view is greatly outweighed by their manifest discomfort and inconvenience. But for people who do choose to wear them, it's important to ensure that the helmet will still be in place on the head when called upon to do its job. I agree with all that you said. Bod |
#57
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
"burtthebike" wrote in message ... "Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% wrote in message ... Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote in : "Colin McKenzie" considered Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:16:16 +0100 the perfect time to write: On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:19:40 +0100, "Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% writes: I'm not too bothered about style, more about safety and comfort. Then get some cycle training. +1 It'll have far more effect on your safety than any amount of polystyrene foam. Go for BikeAbility, if you want to be sure of the standard. I'm asking about helmets, not training. But you claim to be interested in safety. Nowhere with a helmet law or massive helmet promotion has been able to demonstrate any reduction in risk to cyclists. Cycle training demonstrates considerable reduction in risk to cyclists. Ergo, anyone interested in reducing risk to cyclists would invest in cycle training and not invest in helmets. It's up to be what I invest in thanks. |
#58
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:00:52 -0700
"burtthebike" wrote: "Rob Morley" wrote in message news:20090802232718.50db8e11@bluemoon... On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:12:26 -0700 "burtthebike" wrote: "Rob Morley" wrote in message news:20090802231119.445d9794@bluemoon... On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:57:40 -0700 "burtthebike" wrote: This is actually another urban myth. The only research showing that the helmet fit was necessary for protection was from Thompson, Rivara and Thompson. But if it's uncomfortable or insecure it's reducing your primary safety. How? Distraction. Not one of the reasons claimed by TRT when they researched* the subject. I didn't realise that was part of the question. |
#59
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
£8 in Lidl, Wilkinsons etc.
|
#60
|
|||
|
|||
How much to pay for a cycle helmet?
£8 in Lidl, Wilkinsons etc.
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Best cycle helmet for under £10? | Brian D'Amarge. | UK | 10 | December 1st 04 02:45 PM |
Does anyone cycle wearing a MOTORCYCLE HELMET ? | [email protected] | UK | 31 | August 24th 04 12:05 PM |
Novel cycle helmet. | Simon Mason | UK | 2 | May 18th 04 03:19 PM |
Large Cycle Helmet - what and where? | BigMac | UK | 8 | April 27th 04 07:33 PM |
Halfords Cycle Helmet | Richard Bates | UK | 2 | March 31st 04 06:17 PM |