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Old September 18th 18, 12:28 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee
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Default Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)

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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:41:45 +0100
Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee wrote:
wrote:


Lets be honest, there are idiots driving all forms of transport whether
it be


bikes, motorbikes, cars, buses or trucks and they're not going to
change. The


difference with cycling however is that


... they don't kill +- 1700 people every single year.


Big deal.


Nothing more needs to be added.

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Old September 18th 18, 12:47 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:28:21 +0100
Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:41:45 +0100
Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee wrote:
wrote:


Lets be honest, there are idiots driving all forms of transport whether
it be


bikes, motorbikes, cars, buses or trucks and they're not going to
change. The


difference with cycling however is that


... they don't kill +- 1700 people every single year.


Big deal.


Nothing more needs to be added.


Obviously not by you since you have no counter argument.

More people die falling from a height than by vehicles. Perhaps we should
ban ladders.

  #14  
Old September 18th 18, 01:36 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)

On 18/09/18 10:14, Bod wrote:
On 18/09/2018 09:43, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 08:46, Bod wrote:

cyclist deaths in particular remain stubbornly high, even as average
speeds, which affect road deaths, continue to decline. If cars are
much safer than 25 years ago, why are cyclist deaths increasing, from
25 the previous year to 45 this past year?


Cars maybe safer for the occupants in a high speed crash but do they
reduce the number of low speed crashes? Very likely not because cars
are wider so reduce margins for error and all the stuff to protect the
occupants has got in the way of the driver's view. The width has also
taken away space for cyclists.


I can't argue with that, but many drivers are careless when passing
cyclists. I never have a problem with them when I'm in the car.


It is difficult to say "never". Let's imagine you are caught out in 1 in
million journeys by your modern safety kit, which is something you can't
personally determine, but there are several million drivers milling
around the roads. Many drivers unlike you that are tolerant of spending
every day in queues behind other drivers but then complain that slowing
down behind a cyclist for a few seconds has ruined their whole year.

Also, when cycling, I've had many drivers who just pull out from
sideroads, seemingly oblivious to cyclists.


If you wear hi-viz, best not to. They may see you from further away but
this just makes them hesitate at the moment it is safe to pull out. They
then pull out anyway when you're closer and you have to take more
hurried avoidance.
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Old September 18th 18, 02:00 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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On 18/09/2018 13:36, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 10:14, Bod wrote:
On 18/09/2018 09:43, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 08:46, Bod wrote:

cyclist deaths in particular remain stubbornly high, even as average
speeds, which affect road deaths, continue to decline. If cars are
much safer than 25 years ago, why are cyclist deaths increasing,
from 25 the previous year to 45 this past year?

Cars maybe safer for the occupants in a high speed crash but do they
reduce the number of low speed crashes? Very likely not because cars
are wider so reduce margins for error and all the stuff to protect
the occupants has got in the way of the driver's view. The width has
also taken away space for cyclists.


I can't argue with that, but many drivers are careless when passing
cyclists. I never have a problem with them when I'm in the car.


It is difficult to say "never". Let's imagine you are caught out in 1 in
million journeys by your modern safety kit, which is something you can't
personally determine, but there are several million drivers milling
around the roads. Many drivers unlike you that are tolerant of spending
every day in queues behind other drivers but then complain that slowing
down behind a cyclist for a few seconds has ruined their whole year.

Also, when cycling, I've had many drivers who just pull out from
sideroads, seemingly oblivious to cyclists.


If you wear hi-viz, best not to. They may see you from further away but
this just makes them hesitate at the moment it is safe to pull out. They
then pull out anyway when you're closer and you have to take more
hurried avoidance.

.. The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull
out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything
smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar.

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Old September 18th 18, 04:42 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)

On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote:

The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull
out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything
smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar.


Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to offer
advice but there might still be something you could do to help make
yourself look bigger.

  #17  
Old September 18th 18, 05:59 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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On 18/09/2018 16:42, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote:

The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull
out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything
smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar.


Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to offer
advice but there might still be something you could do to help make
yourself look bigger.

I don't need to, I've learnt to always slow down a bit and can

normally sense if they haven't seen me.
Better to be late, than Dead On Arrival :-)

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  #18  
Old September 19th 18, 12:02 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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Default Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)

On 18/09/2018 10:14, Bod wrote:
On 18/09/2018 09:43, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 08:46, Bod wrote:

cyclist deaths in particular remain stubbornly high, even as average
speeds, which affect road deaths, continue to decline. If cars are
much safer than 25 years ago, why are cyclist deaths increasing, from
25 the previous year to 45 this past year?


Cars maybe safer for the occupants in a high speed crash but do they
reduce the number of low speed crashes? Very likely not because cars
are wider so reduce margins for error and all the stuff to protect the
occupants has got in the way of the driver's view. The width has also
taken away space for cyclists.

I can't argue with that, but many drivers are careless when passing

cyclists. I never have a problem with them when I'm in the car.
Also, when cycling, I've had many drivers who just pull out from
sideroads, seemingly oblivious to cyclists.


The answer is obvious: be more visible and less easy to be
sub-consciously screened out.

Wear shocking pink hi-viz, which should be adopted world-wide as the
standard (and compulsory) outer-wear for cyclists.
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Old September 19th 18, 12:04 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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Default Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)

On 18/09/2018 16:42, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote:

The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull
out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything
smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar.


Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to offer
advice but there might still be something you could do to help make
yourself look bigger.


Yes - pink hi-viz.
  #20  
Old September 19th 18, 02:50 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)

On 19/09/18 12:04, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2018 16:42, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote:

The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to
pull out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles.
Anything smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar.


Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to
offer advice but there might still be something you could do to help
make yourself look bigger.


Yes - pink hi-viz.


Wrong. And not for aesthetic reasons.
 




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