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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
Alistair Gunn wrote:
Just zis Guy, you know? twisted the electrons to say: So we recommended that he enclose and air condition the mixing bay and start the mixing crew two hours before the main shift. What was the response? Obviously that he wanted us to build the automated balance testing system first and /then/ look at the mixing bay project, which was cheaper and would make the balance testing system redundant. I think the clear fault there was giving the client what they needed, as opposed to what they said they'd wanted! :-) You have there the major difference between a soft systems analysis and the hard systems approach. Up till now the helmets issue has I think , been seen by Whitehall as requiring a hard systems approach of "Here is our target, reducing deaths by increasing helmet wearing, how do achieve it" , rather than the soft systems idea of "What is the problem , from all viewpoints, and how do we cure or ameliorate it to the best effect for all concerned?" The same could be said of traffic planning in general since the 60's , but now I think I'm seeing some chinks of Soft Systems light appearing in the talk of shared streets and open spaces. |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:07:44 +0100, Marc
wrote: snip And again I would like to understand why anyone pays that much attention to body technicians? Perhaps because they are intelligent educated people who can think for themselves, perhaps they have read some of the relevant literature, they have a modicum of common sense and are not what may be called ****wits. Now - what about yourself - why could you not understand? -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:13:10 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: 551 word diatribe snipped My word Guy - I really do seem to have rattled your cage. The BMA are promoting Safer Cycling It is not difficult - however I suppose I am not surprised that you can't quite see it - you need at least a modicum of intelligence. Here we go: If you wear a helmet then you will have reduced the chances of head injury if you have an accident. Therefore you may actually be "free from hurt or damage; unharmed" - which as you know is what safer means. Therefore if you wear a helmet - you may be safer. There you go - 51 words - 500 less than you spouted. -- I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman) I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman) I would challenge judith to find the place where I said I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman) I pointed out the web page He then quickly changed the web page - but "forgot" to change the date of last amendment so it looked like the change had been there for years. |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
"Judith Smith" wrote in message . There you go - 51 words - 500 less than you spouted. 500 *fewer* words, not less words. -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:30:54 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote: snip I can't see helmet compulsion for adults ever coming in. The cycling lobby is huge and when under attack or when needs must, closes ranks and comes together. Wishful thinking my old fruit. The public at large will see it as justice and penance for all those V signs given out by cyclists, all those riding on the pavement, all those "Get on the motorway", all those jumping through red lights, all those ignoring pedestrian crossings, all those ....... Get the drift? It will happen - just a matter of time. Why do you think that some of the ****wits here are actually anti-helmet? It is nothing to do with whether helmets are beneficial or not per se; they just do not want more and more cyclists to wear them (as is happening each year) as the baseline is not far away. -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:43:40 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:27:06 +0100, "Simon Mason" wrote: The BMA also says it is bad for our health to consume more than two pints of beer a day, which is tosh as well. One of the more interesting points about this particular piece of work is that it is deliberately based only on case-control studies, with all conflicting evidence excluded. If they had adopted this policy in respect of HRT and coronary heart disease then they would be advising that HRT prevents heart disease. Luckily they investigated the conflicting evidence and found that all the case-control studies had similar confounding factors, leading to a conclusion which was wrong in both magnitude and sign: the risk is actually slightly /increased/. Guy Cage still rattling Guy? Get over it. All they are doing is promoting safer cycling by encouraging the wearing of helmets. Surely, the reason that you encourage your children to wear helmets is because you know that they will be safer? The BMA are doing just what you are doing - being responsible. -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:58:48 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:07:44 +0100, Marc wrote: And again I would like to understand why anyone pays that much attention to body technicians? If I want to know how to cycle safely, I consult a cycling coach, not a cycle mechanic. This is essentially what they are doing, much to the irritation of the "cycle safety=helmets" mob. Guy Get over it Guy. The BMA are made up of intelligent highly educated people who are capable of assessing the relevant evidence, applying common sense, and concluding that it is more beneficial to wear a helmet than it is not too. They encourage the public to wear a helmet. It is a bit like you looking at all the evidence and then encouraging your kids to wear a helmet. It is called being responsible. It's not anathema to you - is it? -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
"Judith Smith" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:30:54 +0100, "Simon Mason" wrote: snip I can't see helmet compulsion for adults ever coming in. The cycling lobby is huge and when under attack or when needs must, closes ranks and comes together. Wishful thinking my old fruit. The public at large will see it as justice and penance for all those V signs given out by cyclists, all those riding on the pavement, all those "Get on the motorway", all those jumping through red lights, all those ignoring pedestrian crossings, all those ....... I can't imagine drivers sitting there pouring money into the air in their steel prisons secretly wishing to get their "revenge" by putting plastic hats on cyclists' heads? Surely, they secretly wish we would get head injuries if they hate us so much, so why would they be concerned for our safety? Attacks are usually along the lines of "make them pay road tax" and carry number plates so plod can track them down like they do to car drivers. I've read a lot of tiresome "lycra lout" articles in newspapers, but not one Clarkson type has ever wished to *impose* plastic hats on us. They wish us harm normally. -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
"Tony Dragon" wrote in message ... Phil W Lee wrote: considered Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:53:17 +0100 the perfect time to write: Nothing of any consequence removed. Nurse! she's out again! We can't have anything about cycle helmets saving injuries published, can we? Especially when it has been reported that some people have been badly injured whilst wearing helmets. -- Tony the Dragon |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling (and helmets)
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:49:47 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote: 500 *fewer* words, not less words. Oh the irony. The most prolific troll this group has ever seen, who posts bull**** indefinitely after it's been clearly proven to be bull****, sees fit to "reduce" the content of a post from someone who, unlike her, rides a bike and is actually interested in cycling as something other than an excuse for spewing hate. And of course she employs the usual Liddite misdirection of assuming there is no effect on the risk of collision. Funny how often they do that, as if there was some real-world correlation between helmet use and cycle safety. Which of course we know there isn't. Funny, too, how she hasn't castigated the BMA for quoting Crook and Feikh. Presumably she sees no problem with claiming that helmets are more than 100% effective. Still, it gave me an opportunity to visit Google Groups and find that she's still trolling her bull**** about the page that never changed http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/The page that never changed. Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/urc "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken Newsgroup may contain nuts. |
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