ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF

ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/
news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ).

It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter
the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana
to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring
team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF.

hizark21 wrote:
ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/
news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ).

It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter
the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana
to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring
team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF.

The spots are all filled. Who would the ASO kick out to make space for
Astana, and what excuse would they get?

Be realistic.

hizark21 wrote:
It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter the
TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana to
meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring team
now and they deserve to ride in the TDF.

Kyle Legate wrote:
The spots are all filled. Who would the ASO kick out to make space for
Astana, and what excuse would they get?

They could always engineer a positive test if a certain laboratory is
going to be doing the testing.

Donald Munro wrote:

hizark21 wrote:

It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter the
TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana to
meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring team
now and they deserve to ride in the TDF.


Kyle Legate wrote:

The spots are all filled. Who would the ASO kick out to make space for
Astana, and what excuse would they get?


They could always engineer a positive test if a certain laboratory is
going to be doing the testing.


You French lab conspiracy theorists sound like one of those
mother****ers who says that 9-11 was a controlled demolition by the
government.

Get it through your fat ****ing head that there is no conspiracy. Floyd
doped, and so did Lance.

Deal with it.


Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Get it through your fat ****ing head that there is no conspiracy. Floyd
doped, and so did Lance.

Deal with it.

However both other labs that tested Mayo's samples came back inconclusive.

Donald Munro wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Get it through your fat ****ing head that there is no conspiracy. Floyd
doped, and so did Lance.

Deal with it.


However both other labs that tested Mayo's samples came back inconclusive.





Mayo took EPO, make no mistake about it. The initial lab result was
positive. Then Mayonnaise requested the B-sample be tested and it came
back "inconclusive" (which is NOT considered a negative test). This
inconclusive result was done by the Belgian lab at Ghent because the
LNDD were on vacation. The UCI then requested LNDD re-do the B-test and
it came back positive.

Mayonnaise = 2 positive EPO tests.

When you get an inconclusive result, you are suppose to re-run the test.

Try looking at the facts next time. And don't ever come in here again
and tell me Mayo isn't a ****ing doper.

Number one, he's Spanish, a country known for its doping culture in
cycling. Two, he goes from sucking dick to off the front in the Tour.
There's not a lot of explanations for that.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?s...v=ap&type=lgns


Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
You French lab conspiracy theorists sound like one of those
mother****ers who says that 9-11 was a controlled demolition by the
government.

Get it through your fat ****ing head that there is no conspiracy. Floyd
doped, and so did Lance.

For some of us, the conspiracy is that the lab
is run by **** ups. Which does not directly
contradict your contention that LANCE or Floyd
doped.

Bob Schwartz

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:56:58 -0700 (PDT), hizark21
wrote:

ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/
news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ).

It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter
the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana
to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring
team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF.

I'm not saying I agree with ASO's decisions, but you don't get it.
They told Astana they'll let them in after a year with no scandals.
It's clear. Astana could sweep the top ten in every race they get
into, and that wouldn't help then get into the Tour of France. In
fact, it would probably hurt.

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:56:58 -0700 (PDT), hizark21
wrote:

ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/
news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ).

It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter
the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana
to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring
team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF.

I'm not saying I agree with ASO's decisions, but you don't get it.
They told Astana they'll let them in after a year with no scandals.
It's clear. Astana could sweep the top ten in every race they get
into, and that wouldn't help then get into the Tour of France. In
fact, it would probably hurt.

Indeed. Astana has ****ed in the Tour's soup twice now.
They've earned this.

Bob Schwartz

I'm not saying I agree with ASO's decisions, but you don't get it.
They told Astana they'll let them in after a year with no scandals.
It's clear. Astana could sweep the top ten in every race they get
into, and that wouldn't help then get into the Tour of France. In
fact, it would probably hurt.

Indeed. Astana has ****ed in the Tour's soup twice now.
They've earned this.

And yet some believe that was possibly the cleanest Giro in a very long
time, specifically because Astana was there, which put everything under a
microscope.

The ASO just isn't making sense. Not so much in the exclusion of Astana, but
rather their atttitude about positive doping tests. They still consider it a
failure when they find someone testing positive, instead of evidence that
they can find and punish those doping. What was that latest thing they were
saying? That they're going to specifically target certain athletes because
of what happened last year, instead of randomized controls? I don't get it.
The randomized controls found Rasmussen didn't they? And Vino? And
Keschekin? But the fact that those guys were doping and caught is an
indication that doping controls aren't working?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:56:58 -0700 (PDT), hizark21
wrote:

ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/
news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ).

It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter
the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana
to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring
team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF.

I'm not saying I agree with ASO's decisions, but you don't get it.
They told Astana they'll let them in after a year with no scandals.
It's clear. Astana could sweep the top ten in every race they get
into, and that wouldn't help then get into the Tour of France. In
fact, it would probably hurt.

Indeed. Astana has ****ed in the Tour's soup twice now.
They've earned this.

Bob Schwartz