Disabled cyclists.

"JNugent" wrote in message
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.....
I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties and sincerely wish you the very
best outcome from the procedure.

Thank you. It seems to be worrying the people around me more than me. As the
surgeon said, for him it is a routine operation. I am also healthy, apart
from the congential heart defect that now needs correction, so am unlikely
to be among the 2% of his patients who develop complications.

Nevertheless, I can also assure you that standard medical advice to anyone
who suspects that they are at immediate - or anywhere near immediate -
risk of an attack is "don't drive". This extends right down to anciliary
staff level.

Indeed. My late mother had that advice, in the end being told not to drive
for a year, although I think that is more because of the risk to others.

Colin Bignell

Doug gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

So - just to clarify - you wish to see a situation where people can
choose to ride tricycles round shops and along railway platforms.
Anything else is discrimination.

Only the disabled.

And how do you see that working?
In the same way as the blue badge scheme for car drivers? Or just
saying "I'm disabled, I am"?

I'd be happy to see them registered and displaying a sticker. I once
tried a doctor's letter with the police but they said it could be a
forgery.

They clearly knew you well.

However, able- bodied motorists are sometimes allowed to drive on
pavements, where it is not expressly forbidden

Correct - and, in those places, so can cyclists (able-bodied or
disabled) under EXACTLY the same terms.

No they can't. There are plenty of places where cars are allowed to
drive onto pavements and park there but where disabled cycling is not
allowed.

You seem to have missed the phrase "EXACTLY the same terms".

There is no ambiguity about disabled cyclists not riding on pavements.
They are expected to dismount and park while the motorist is allowed to
drive on.

Once again, for the hard of thinking... Car drivers can drive on the
pavement but only to park. So can cyclists. Car drivers cannot choose
to drive along the pavement. Nor can cyclists.

Again, distance is not mentioned. ANY cycling on pavements is banned

with the one exception. EXACTLY the same as for driving a car on a
pavement.

but it is naturally assumed that motorists will drive onto a pavement to
park.

It is slightly easier to carry or push a bicycle...

In some cases, in order to get where they want to be, they might
have to drive several metres and in so doing put pedestrians, especially
small children, at serious risk.

You seem to ignore that doing so in such a manner as to actively put
anybody (their size and age is irrelevant) at "serious risk" would be a
serious offence - just as it would on the carriageway itself.

And again, cars are much more dangerous than bicycles.

And again, EITHER can be dangerous if used dangerously. So can a coat
hanger.

On 30 Sep, 23:26, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT), The Zit





wrote:
On 29 Sep, 16:48, "Ian" wrote:
"Theodore" wrote in message

news

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:40:43 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
wrote:

On 29 Sep, 06:54, Doug wrote:
There has been rambling discussions about how disabled cyclists
are
discriminated against or not in law so now I would like to quickly
summerise.

I can summerise (sic) it much more quickly:

"I, Doug Bollen, of censored Road, Catford, should be able to do
whatever I like, whenever and wherever I like. ?The rest of you can
lump it".

+ pay for it please.

You mis-spelled "Culverley".

I'd best not reply to this post, in case "judith" accuses of
publicising Mr Bollen's address. �Oops, I just did.

Now then Zit - I see you have nothing to contribute - other than Doug
stuff still.

We had a girl at school called Judith Smith. Oddly, she was a right
**** as well. Was it you?

Phil W Lee wrote:

"Paul - xxx" considered 30 Sep 2009
14:39:47 GMT the perfect time to write:

Phil W Lee wrote:

"Paul - xxx" considered 29 Sep 2009
08:14:50 GMT the perfect time to write:

Doug wrote:

There has been rambling discussions about how disabled cyclists
are discriminated against or not in law so now I would like to
quickly summerise.


I can't recall any disability where one can't walk or drive a
car, but where one can ride a bike .. could you enlighten us
please?
Why should people be forced to drive a car, just because they have
walking difficulties?

Who says anyone's being forced into a car?

I merely asked which disabilities meant it was easier to cycle than
to either walk or drive .. that's not forcing anyone to do anything,
that's asking a question.

So why bring driving into it?

err ... I didn't, it's inherent in Dougs point of view ... but looking
back I snipped a tad too much of Dougs OP .. "Disabled people who wish
to enjoy a high degree of mobility have virtually no other option but
to use a car in conjunction with a wheelchair but what if for some
reason they cannot drive or be driven but can still use a bicycle?"

If a person has difficulty walking, but can drive a car perfectly
well, you seem to assume that there is no need to facilitate their
being able to use a cycle.

That's not my argument at all .. you're answering, or stating, a
completely different question or point of view.

--
Paul - xxx

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi
Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp

On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:01:33 +0100, Phil W Lee
phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote:

Doug considered Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:39:46 -0700
(PDT) the perfect time to write:

On 29 Sep, 22:51, martin wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 29 Sep, 13:48, martin wrote:
Mind the station at Gloucester is a bit weird, the trains there stop a
long way from the entrance because it's a double platform. It always
seems the one I want is a good hike away.

Don't you mean a 'good bike away'?

Absolutely I didn't! You want to ride a bike down a platform it's your
own affair. It's bloody dangerous and gives the staff a fit.

Grow the hell up and have a bit of though for other people.


What's the difference between charging down a platform in a mobility
buggy or wheelchair? Even people push people of platforms sometimes.
Why pick on disabled cyclists?

Particularly since rail operators are specifically required to
facilitate access for invalid carriages, of which a solo bicycle
ridden by a person suffering from some physical defect or disability
is a perfectly good example.


Yawn - ffs a bicycle is NOT an invalid carriage - irrespective of who
is riding it.

You've been told - ride on the pavement - produce that as your defence
- report back here.

What are you waiting for?

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
wrote:

On 30 Sep, 23:26, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT), The Zit





wrote:
On 29 Sep, 16:48, "Ian" wrote:
"Theodore" wrote in message

news

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:40:43 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
wrote:

On 29 Sep, 06:54, Doug wrote:
There has been rambling discussions about how disabled cyclists
are
discriminated against or not in law so now I would like to quickly
summerise.

I can summerise (sic) it much more quickly:

"I, Doug Bollen, of censored Road, Catford, should be able to do
whatever I like, whenever and wherever I like. ?The rest of you can
lump it".

+ pay for it please.

You mis-spelled "Culverley".

I'd best not reply to this post, in case "judith" accuses of
publicising Mr Bollen's address. ?Oops, I just did.

Now then Zit - I see you have nothing to contribute - other than Doug
stuff still.

We had a girl at school called Judith Smith. Oddly, she was a right
**** as well. Was it you?

Hello again Zit.

Did she take the **** out of you because she thought you were stupid?

DId she find it an easy thing to do?

Did it wind you up?

--
Latest DfT Figures: Passenger casualty rates by mode Per billion passenger kilometers:
Killed or seriously injured: Pedal Cyclists : 527 Pedestrians 371
All casualties: Pedal Cyclists : 3494 Pedestrians : 1631
Which is more dangerous?

On 1 Oct, 14:25, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT), BrianW





wrote:
On 30 Sep, 23:26, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT), The Zit

wrote:
On 29 Sep, 16:48, "Ian" wrote:
"Theodore" wrote in message

news

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:40:43 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
wrote:

On 29 Sep, 06:54, Doug wrote:
There has been rambling discussions about how disabled cyclists
are
discriminated against or not in law so now I would like to quickly
summerise.

I can summerise (sic) it much more quickly:

"I, Doug Bollen, of censored Road, Catford, should be able to do
whatever I like, whenever and wherever I like. ?The rest of you can
lump it".

+ pay for it please.

You mis-spelled "Culverley".

I'd best not reply to this post, in case "judith" accuses of
publicising Mr Bollen's address. ?Oops, I just did.

Now then Zit - I see you have nothing to contribute - other than Doug
stuff still.

We had a girl at school called Judith Smith. �Oddly, she was a right
**** as well. �Was it you?

Hello again Zit.

Did she take the **** out of you because she thought you were stupid?

DId she find it an easy thing to do?

Did it wind you up?

No, because I knew she was a dumb ****. Strange how things come back
around, isn't it?

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:42:11 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
wrote:

On 1 Oct, 14:25, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT), BrianW





wrote:
On 30 Sep, 23:26, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT), The Zit

wrote:
On 29 Sep, 16:48, "Ian" wrote:
"Theodore" wrote in message

news

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:40:43 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
wrote:

On 29 Sep, 06:54, Doug wrote:
There has been rambling discussions about how disabled cyclists
are
discriminated against or not in law so now I would like to quickly
summerise.

I can summerise (sic) it much more quickly:

"I, Doug Bollen, of censored Road, Catford, should be able to do
whatever I like, whenever and wherever I like. ?The rest of you can
lump it".

+ pay for it please.

You mis-spelled "Culverley".

I'd best not reply to this post, in case "judith" accuses of
publicising Mr Bollen's address. ?Oops, I just did.

Now then Zit - I see you have nothing to contribute - other than Doug
stuff still.

We had a girl at school called Judith Smith. ?Oddly, she was a right
**** as well. ?Was it you?

Hello again Zit.

Did she take the **** out of you because she thought you were stupid?

DId she find it an easy thing to do?

Did it wind you up?

No, because I knew she was a dumb ****. Strange how things come back
around, isn't it?


Hello again Zit.

Fascinating that you are having to resort to the gutter language -
"right ****" - "dumb ****". Do you think it could be perhaps your
inability with English?

May I suggest improving it by reading. There is an excellent series
know as "Janet and John" - it will improve your vocabulary no end, and
mean that you don't have to resort to gutter language in order to
express yourself.

Best of luck.

--

British Medical Association (BMA)
View on helmets:

Several studies provided solid scientific evidence that bicycle helmets
protect against head, brain, severe brain and facial injuries,
as well as death, as a result of cycling accidents

On 1 Oct, 15:15, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:42:11 -0700 (PDT), BrianW





wrote:
On 1 Oct, 14:25, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 01:25:02 -0700 (PDT), BrianW

wrote:
On 30 Sep, 23:26, Judith M Smith wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT), The Zit

wrote:
On 29 Sep, 16:48, "Ian" wrote:
"Theodore" wrote in message

news

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:40:43 -0700 (PDT), BrianW
wrote:

On 29 Sep, 06:54, Doug wrote:
There has been rambling discussions about how disabled cyclists
are
discriminated against or not in law so now I would like to quickly
summerise.

I can summerise (sic) it much more quickly:

"I, Doug Bollen, of censored Road, Catford, should be able to do
whatever I like, whenever and wherever I like. ?The rest of you can
lump it".

+ pay for it please.

You mis-spelled "Culverley".

I'd best not reply to this post, in case "judith" accuses of
publicising Mr Bollen's address. ?Oops, I just did.

Now then Zit - I see you have nothing to contribute - other than Doug
stuff still.

We had a girl at school called Judith Smith. ?Oddly, she was a right
**** as well. ?Was it you?

Hello again Zit.

Did she take the **** out of you because she thought you were stupid?

DId she find it an easy thing to do?

Did it wind you up?

No, because I knew she was a dumb ****. �Strange how things come back
around, isn't it?

Hello again Zit.

Fascinating that you are having to resort to the gutter language -
"right ****" - "dumb ****". �Do you think it could be perhaps your
inability with English?

May I suggest improving it by reading. �There is an excellent series
know as "Janet and John" - it will improve your vocabulary no end, and
mean that you don't have to resort to gutter language in order to
express yourself.

Regrettably, "judith", there is no other word in the English language
which adequately describes you. And Tommy and Duhg, for that matter.

Toodle Pip!

"JNugent" wrote in message
...
nightjar cpb@ wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message
...
.....
There are numerous medical conditions which can favour sitting on
a
saddle and pedalling instead of walking and yet this is not
recognised
by various authorities and corporations but is by some doctors.

Such as? I was specifically advised not to cycle when I had a
suspected heart attack, although using an exercise bicycle, which
puts no stress on the chest muscles, was encouraged.

It sounds like good advice. One is also warned not to drive a car
when seriously at risk of an attack, for what I suspect are the same
reasons.

I wasn't allowed to drive a car for two weeks after release from
hospital (treatment by drugs, no surgery) after I had an MI. But they
took my bus driving licence away altogether after I failed two medical
tests.... even though GP says I'm probably healthier and safer than
before!