"Independant labs tests???

With all the accusations going on with all these different riders, not only in the TDF but the other races that are supposedly failing drug test that are carried out in "independent labs", I just wonder how "independent" they really are and who pays them for doing the tests?
I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""
Sorry but I just do not trust the testing agencies at all, too many riders come under suspicion too easily for there to be no collusion between the testing agencies and the UCI, WADA or whoever thay are.
In no other legal process is one considered guilty until proven innocent and the lab test seems to be all that is needed to prove guilt, without any protocols in place to ensure the test results are in fact correct.
If any test was false, which lab would put their hands up to a mistake, or foul play??
It just seems too coincidental with "positive tests" to me.
Just my opinion, which of course is worth not much at best.
Ro.

Ro wrote:

I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""

A typically American knee-jerk bias against the French. Why would
another country's labs be "more independent" than those in France? What
do the French have to gain by falsely accusing an American? There were
no French in contention for the overall win, unless they disqualified
the first six riders.

Is it remotely possible to taint a sample. Could the right price buy an
addition to someones sample? I have no idea how a sample is handled after
being submitted.


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Ro wrote:

I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be
tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""

A typically American knee-jerk bias against the French. Why would
another country's labs be "more independent" than those in France? What
do the French have to gain by falsely accusing an American? There were
no French in contention for the overall win, unless they disqualified
the first six riders.

"Ro" solemnly wrote in :


With all the accusations going on with all these different riders, not
only in the TDF but the other races that are supposedly failing drug
test that are carried out in "independent labs", I just wonder how
"independent" they really are and who pays them for doing the tests?
I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be
tested in another couhtry to assure "independence"" Sorry but I just
do not trust the testing agencies at all, too many riders come under
suspicion too easily for there to be no collusion between the testing
agencies and the UCI, WADA or whoever thay are. In no other legal
process is one considered guilty until proven innocent and the lab
test seems to be all that is needed to prove guilt, without any
protocols in place to ensure the test results are in fact correct. If
any test was false, which lab would put their hands up to a mistake,
or foul play?? It just seems too coincidental with "positive tests" to
me. Just my opinion, which of course is worth not much at best.
Ro.



There is a strictly enforced protocol, from the time the racer gives the
urine sample at the end of the stage to the time the sample arrives at the
lab. The lab does not know the identity of the owner of the sample,
everything is coded by a serial number only known by the cycling
authorities.

The lab simply makes a first round of tests to detect 200 to 300
substances, then when something is abnormal (for ex, a high ration T/E), it
performs a second round of more precise tests (like the isotrop test). Then
it gives the test results to the relevant authorities which then search for
the name of the racer in its database.

Ro wrote:
With all the accusations going on with all these different riders, not only in the TDF but the other races that are supposedly failing drug test that are carried out in "independent labs", I just wonder how "independent" they really are and who pays them for doing the tests?
I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""
Sorry but I just do not trust the testing agencies at all, too many riders come under suspicion too easily for there to be no collusion between the testing agencies and the UCI, WADA or whoever thay are.
In no other legal process is one considered guilty until proven innocent and the lab test seems to be all that is needed to prove guilt, without any protocols in place to ensure the test results are in fact correct.
If any test was false, which lab would put their hands up to a mistake, or foul play??
It just seems too coincidental with "positive tests" to me.
Just my opinion, which of course is worth not much at best.
Ro.

Ah yes... because they didn't go to Iraq and didn't like Lance they
took it out on Floyd, not caring about what happened to the TdF.

It's also almost proven that the French shot JFK, support Al Quaida,
boycot every American product, all in all, do anything to spite the
Americans.

It all comes back to the California wines winning all of the recent
awards.
Best,
Bill Black

Tuschinski wrote:
Ro wrote:
With all the accusations going on with all these different riders, not only in the TDF but the other races that are supposedly failing drug test that are carried out in "independent labs", I just wonder how "independent" they really are and who pays them for doing the tests?
I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""
Sorry but I just do not trust the testing agencies at all, too many riders come under suspicion too easily for there to be no collusion between the testing agencies and the UCI, WADA or whoever thay are.
In no other legal process is one considered guilty until proven innocent and the lab test seems to be all that is needed to prove guilt, without any protocols in place to ensure the test results are in fact correct.
If any test was false, which lab would put their hands up to a mistake, or foul play??
It just seems too coincidental with "positive tests" to me.
Just my opinion, which of course is worth not much at best.
Ro.

Ah yes... because they didn't go to Iraq and didn't like Lance they
took it out on Floyd, not caring about what happened to the TdF.

It's also almost proven that the French shot JFK, support Al Quaida,
boycot every American product, all in all, do anything to spite the
Americans.

On 28 Jul 2006 22:58:55 -0700, wrote:


Ro wrote:

I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""

A typically American knee-jerk bias against the French. Why would
another country's labs be "more independent" than those in France?

Because we know from the purported 1999 tests that French labs violate procedure
in the service of l'Equippe.

We KNOW from the pages of that paper that this particular lab does not follow
the rules when it suits them or the people at the newspaper who bribe or
otherwise manipulate them.

What
do the French have to gain by falsely accusing an American?

l'Equippe has millions in sales to consider.

Ron

"RonSonic" a écrit dans le message de news:
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On 28 Jul 2006 22:58:55 -0700, wrote:


Ro wrote:

I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be
tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""

A typically American knee-jerk bias against the French. Why would
another country's labs be "more independent" than those in France?

Because we know from the purported 1999 tests that French labs violate
procedure
in the service of l'Equippe.


Don't try to spin the facts

Not only the Lab never violate anything, but it had the approval of UCI !



We KNOW from the pages of that paper that this particular lab does not
follow
the rules when it suits them or the people at the newspaper who bribe or
otherwise manipulate them.

What
do the French have to gain by falsely accusing an American?

l'Equippe has millions in sales to consider.

Ron

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:45:31 +0200, Montesquiou wrote:


"RonSonic" a écrit dans le message de news:
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On 28 Jul 2006 22:58:55 -0700, wrote:


Ro wrote:

I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be
tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""

A typically American knee-jerk bias against the French. Why would
another country's labs be "more independent" than those in France?

Because we know from the purported 1999 tests that French labs violate
procedure
in the service of l'Equippe.


Don't try to spin the facts

Not only the Lab never violate anything, but it had the approval of UCI !

UCI did not authorize the release of test results.

If someone tells you a thing that he is bound by honor and profession to not
tell - is he also bound to tell you the truth?

That lab is dirty.

Ron



We KNOW from the pages of that paper that this particular lab does not
follow
the rules when it suits them or the people at the newspaper who bribe or
otherwise manipulate them.

What
do the French have to gain by falsely accusing an American?

l'Equippe has millions in sales to consider.

Ron

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:05:39 -0400, RonSonic wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:45:31 +0200, Montesquiou wrote:


"RonSonic" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
On 28 Jul 2006 22:58:55 -0700, wrote:


Ro wrote:

I would assume that if one had a sample taken in France it would be
tested in another couhtry to assure "independence""

A typically American knee-jerk bias against the French. Why would
another country's labs be "more independent" than those in France?

Because we know from the purported 1999 tests that French labs violate
procedure in the service of l'Equipe.


Don't try to spin the facts

Not only the Lab never violate anything, but it had the approval of UCI !

UCI did not authorize the release of test results.

If someone tells you a thing that he is bound by honor and profession to not
tell - is he also bound to tell you the truth?

Read section 1.14 - 25 for the basics. That lab is dirty. It's relationship with
l'Equipe is inappropriate and we are right to distrust it.

http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Homepag...R%20zonder.pdf

Ron