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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
"Tony Raven" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed wrote: I disagree, I think it does give a not so subtle/subliminal implication it was her that did it, ie *she* collided, rather than someone else collided into her. FWIW according to the other thread the CTC comment was "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" Tony *That* sounds neutral. -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks for email address |
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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
"Jeremy Parker" writes:
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hansen" Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:20:28 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch wrote this:- Read again. Jeremy said places /in/ Wales and Scotland. There are places in England where cycling is less than places in Wales and Scotland. Jeremy's comparison is bogus. Looking at DfT publication "Cycling in Great Britain", August 1996, we can see the highest and lowest modal splits for bike commuting (1991 census). They are 1. Cambridge 2. York 3. Oxford I wonder whether the Oxford and Cambridge figures include students. Not that students don't count, but "commuting" when I was an undergraduate (in Cambridge) involved going about 50m. |
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Tumbleweed wrote:
"Tony Raven" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed wrote: I disagree, I think it does give a not so subtle/subliminal implication it was her that did it, ie *she* collided, rather than someone else collided into her. FWIW according to the other thread the CTC comment was "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" Tony *That* sounds neutral. So IYO "Ms McCreery died after colliding with a bus." has a clear bias and "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" is neutral Curious Tony |
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"Paul Rudin" wrote in message ... "Jeremy Parker" writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hansen" Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:20:28 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch wrote this:- Read again. Jeremy said places /in/ Wales and Scotland. There are places in England where cycling is less than places in Wales and Scotland. Jeremy's comparison is bogus. Looking at DfT publication "Cycling in Great Britain", August 1996, we can see the highest and lowest modal splits for bike commuting (1991 census). They are 1. Cambridge 2. York 3. Oxford I wonder whether the Oxford and Cambridge figures include students. Not that students don't count, but "commuting" when I was an undergraduate (in Cambridge) involved going about 50m. Not included, unless they are also working, it says. I also think, although I can't find it stated, that only counted are people for whom cycling is the "main leg" of the journey. In other words, if you cycle to the train or tube station, that doesn't count. Here in Barnet, outer London, that makes a big difference. Jeremy Parker |
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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
On Sat, 29 May 2004 08:19:45 +0100, Tony Raven wrote:
Tumbleweed wrote: "Tony Raven" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed wrote: I disagree, I think it does give a not so subtle/subliminal implication it was her that did it, ie *she* collided, rather than someone else collided into her. FWIW according to the other thread the CTC comment was "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" Tony *That* sounds neutral. So IYO "Ms McCreery died after colliding with a bus." has a clear bias and "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" is neutral Curious Tony Is there a sort of blame progession here? She died after ... .... she hit a bus .... she collided with a bus .... she was in a collision with a bus .... she and a bus collided .... a bus was in a collision with her .... a bus collided with her .... a bus hit her -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "I feel so miserable without you, it's almost like having you here." -Stephen Bishop www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk |
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On 29 May 2004 04:27:39 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
"Jeremy Parker" writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hansen" Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:20:28 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch wrote this:- Read again. Jeremy said places /in/ Wales and Scotland. There are places in England where cycling is less than places in Wales and Scotland. Jeremy's comparison is bogus. Looking at DfT publication "Cycling in Great Britain", August 1996, we can see the highest and lowest modal splits for bike commuting (1991 census). They are 1. Cambridge 2. York 3. Oxford I wonder whether the Oxford and Cambridge figures include students. No, they're not. The report says the following: Students are not included in these data (unless they are also working), but it is likely that their traditionally high use of bicycles influences the usage of non-students, and that more facilities are available to cyclists in these areas. It is also possible that congested streets and parking difficulties in these popular tourist cities discourage car use. -- Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk |
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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
On Fri, 28 May 2004 23:18:05 +0100, "Jeremy Parker"
wrote (more or less): ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hansen" Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:20:28 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch wrote this:- Read again. Jeremy said places /in/ Wales and Scotland. There are places in England where cycling is less than places in Wales and Scotland. Jeremy's comparison is bogus. Looking at DfT publication "Cycling in Great Britain", August 1996, we can see the highest and lowest modal splits for bike commuting (1991 census). They are 1. Cambridge 2. York 3. Oxford 4. Boston 5. Gosport ...... 453. Blaenau Gwent 454. Rhondda 455. Shetland Islands 456. Monklands 457. Cumbernauld and Kilsyth 458. (and last, with 0.1%) Inverclyde Bizarre - I was sure that Millport and Great Cumbrae are in Inverclyde. Jeremy Parker -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
On Fri, 28 May 2004 22:36:44 +0100, "Tony Raven"
wrote (more or less): David Hansen wrote: On 23 May 2004 12:35:07 -0700 someone who may be (bikerider7) wrote this:- Scandal of our deadly cycle lanes I note that http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/traffi...ing%20Standard asserts that, "Ms McCreery died after colliding with a bus on 10 May." I suspect that this is an outright lie. Had she collided with the bus then I suspect she would still be alive. I suspect that the bus driver collided with her, but the mass media is careful to avoid stating the truth in this sort of case. My dictionary has collide as the violent coming together of two moving bodies. I think therefore that it does not have the implication you think. I would agree if it said she had hit the bus but with collide the implication is neutral IMO I think 'in collision with' is neutral. 'collided with' is in the active voice, and so has a strong connotation of active participation. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
"Tony Raven" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed wrote: "Tony Raven" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed wrote: I disagree, I think it does give a not so subtle/subliminal implication it was her that did it, ie *she* collided, rather than someone else collided into her. FWIW according to the other thread the CTC comment was "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" Tony *That* sounds neutral. So IYO "Ms McCreery died after colliding with a bus." has a clear bias and "Vicki McCreery died following a collision with a bus" is neutral Curious Tony Not at all. The first implies she was the one doing the colliding (or at least, the active participant in it), the second is neutral as to who the active parties wre (ie, from a POV of causality). Subtle language, English. -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks for email address |
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