Tom Kunich was right about that careerist fraud Fauci

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 4:09:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:22:48 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 6/6/2021 9:35 PM, sms wrote:

It's not illegal to be stupid, but sometimes it's not clear if people
like Tom lie in order to get attention or if they are really as clueless
as their posts make them appear.

The attention Tom gets is almost uniformly negative feedback. I can't
imagine he enjoys getting it, so that argues for your alternative
explanation.

OTOH, I've been told that masochism is a real thing. Could his posting
behavior be a weird form of masochism?
I'm not sure about the masochism, per se, I believe it is a severe
case of a lack of self esteem where any response is seen as "Look Mon,
someone noticed me" and thus an insult is as good as a pat on the
head.

I will repeat John, what are you doing here? You don't ride bicycles, you don't work on bicycles and you are unable of doing anything other than trying to find a google reference, ANY google reference in an attempt to discredit me. It isn't working because I see you for what you are - a nobody who hates anyone that became somebody starting with less than you had.

It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

- Don Gillies
Palo Alto, CA, USA

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:59:54 AM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

Don, we have studied masks since they became used in the early 1900's. No real study ever showed them to work even on bacterial diseases and some studies showed that there were MORE bacterial infections in operating room settings with masks than without.

Surgeons only wear masks to keep from being distracted by any spray from incisions and the like.

Here is a study showing that masks do nothing against corona viruses published in March of 2020 and updated in May after more experience with covid-19 which is nothing more and an influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article Fauci lied about anything and everything only to be rewarded by the Democrats for doing so, to assist their falsification of the elections.

On 6/8/2021 11:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:59:54 AM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

Don, we have studied masks since they became used in the early 1900's. No real study ever showed them to work even on bacterial diseases and some studies showed that there were MORE bacterial infections in operating room settings with masks than without.

Surgeons only wear masks to keep from being distracted by any spray from incisions and the like.

Here is a study showing that masks do nothing against corona viruses published in March of 2020 and updated in May after more experience with covid-19 which is nothing more and an influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article Fauci lied about anything and everything only to be rewarded by the Democrats for doing so, to assist their falsification of the elections.



Don't get distracted with the details (mask, no mask, two
masks, piece of tee shirt etc). As I wrote here a year ago
the main concern ought to be Virus #2. Why wouldn't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pandemic.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:25 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 11:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:59:54 AM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

Don, we have studied masks since they became used in the early 1900's. No real study ever showed them to work even on bacterial diseases and some studies showed that there were MORE bacterial infections in operating room settings with masks than without.

Surgeons only wear masks to keep from being distracted by any spray from incisions and the like.

Here is a study showing that masks do nothing against corona viruses published in March of 2020 and updated in May after more experience with covid-19 which is nothing more and an influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article Fauci lied about anything and everything only to be rewarded by the Democrats for doing so, to assist their falsification of the elections.

Don't get distracted with the details (mask, no mask, two
masks, piece of tee shirt etc). As I wrote here a year ago
the main concern ought to be Virus #2. Why wouldn't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pandemic.html

I would be extremely skeptical about this claim. If they had a vaccine patented, why would they go through the huge expense of developing other vaccines? I suspect that this had something to do with the 2018 SARS-Cov-1 pandemic. The timing would also be correct for the one and entirely opposing the other.

On 6/8/2021 1:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:25 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 11:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:59:54 AM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

Don, we have studied masks since they became used in the early 1900's. No real study ever showed them to work even on bacterial diseases and some studies showed that there were MORE bacterial infections in operating room settings with masks than without.

Surgeons only wear masks to keep from being distracted by any spray from incisions and the like.

Here is a study showing that masks do nothing against corona viruses published in March of 2020 and updated in May after more experience with covid-19 which is nothing more and an influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article Fauci lied about anything and everything only to be rewarded by the Democrats for doing so, to assist their falsification of the elections.

Don't get distracted with the details (mask, no mask, two
masks, piece of tee shirt etc). As I wrote here a year ago
the main concern ought to be Virus #2. Why wouldn't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pandemic.html

I would be extremely skeptical about this claim. If they had a vaccine patented, why would they go through the huge expense of developing other vaccines? I suspect that this had something to do with the 2018 SARS-Cov-1 pandemic. The timing would also be correct for the one and entirely opposing the other.


The pathways and approaches for the various vaccines are
exceptionally (in some cases first ever in history)
innovative and each different.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 12:29:42 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 1:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:25 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 11:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:59:54 AM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

Don, we have studied masks since they became used in the early 1900's.. No real study ever showed them to work even on bacterial diseases and some studies showed that there were MORE bacterial infections in operating room settings with masks than without.

Surgeons only wear masks to keep from being distracted by any spray from incisions and the like.

Here is a study showing that masks do nothing against corona viruses published in March of 2020 and updated in May after more experience with covid-19 which is nothing more and an influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article Fauci lied about anything and everything only to be rewarded by the Democrats for doing so, to assist their falsification of the elections.

Don't get distracted with the details (mask, no mask, two
masks, piece of tee shirt etc). As I wrote here a year ago
the main concern ought to be Virus #2. Why wouldn't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pandemic.html

I would be extremely skeptical about this claim. If they had a vaccine patented, why would they go through the huge expense of developing other vaccines? I suspect that this had something to do with the 2018 SARS-Cov-1 pandemic. The timing would also be correct for the one and entirely opposing the other.

The pathways and approaches for the various vaccines are
exceptionally (in some cases first ever in history)
innovative and each different.

But that is purely because different companies have different methods of developing a vaccine.

On 6/8/2021 5:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 12:29:42 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 1:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:25 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 11:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:59:54 AM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

Don, we have studied masks since they became used in the early 1900's. No real study ever showed them to work even on bacterial diseases and some studies showed that there were MORE bacterial infections in operating room settings with masks than without.

Surgeons only wear masks to keep from being distracted by any spray from incisions and the like.

Here is a study showing that masks do nothing against corona viruses published in March of 2020 and updated in May after more experience with covid-19 which is nothing more and an influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article Fauci lied about anything and everything only to be rewarded by the Democrats for doing so, to assist their falsification of the elections.

Don't get distracted with the details (mask, no mask, two
masks, piece of tee shirt etc). As I wrote here a year ago
the main concern ought to be Virus #2. Why wouldn't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pandemic.html

I would be extremely skeptical about this claim. If they had a vaccine patented, why would they go through the huge expense of developing other vaccines? I suspect that this had something to do with the 2018 SARS-Cov-1 pandemic. The timing would also be correct for the one and entirely opposing the other.

The pathways and approaches for the various vaccines are
exceptionally (in some cases first ever in history)
innovative and each different.

But that is purely because different companies have different methods of developing a vaccine.


Utterly different.

At one time your phrase "different methods of developing a
vaccine" meant attenuation at some time/temperature, some
proprietary carrier fluid and some sort of preservative.

This is not necessarily that now. Here are three popular
approaches:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavir...aring-vaccines

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 4:59:54 PM UTC+1, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

- Don Gillies
Palo Alto, CA, USA
..
Scientists were held in high respect until they permitted themselves to become the pawns of politicians and commercial hucksters. Michael Mann, as a scientist (questionable, actually: if he were a real scientist he would have taken care to learn some proper statistics) who lied for political power is by far not the first, and Anthony Fauci will certainly not be the last.

I almost certainly know more about propaganda than you do, Mr Gillies, and the fact that you cannot resist a sideswipe at "one of these right-wing propaganda sites" gives me zero confidence that you know how to avoid partisan bias. Hypocrisy, too, is despicable.

Andre Jute
Evenhanded

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:18:28 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 5:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 12:29:42 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 1:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:25 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/8/2021 11:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:59:54 AM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
It's so easy for people who get their career success by lying (i.e.. polticians) to think that scientists are just like them. No, scientists are not. They get their careers by telling the truth and by finding out new truths. I don't see anything new in these articles, I remember when public messaging was not to wear a mask because if we run out of PPE for medical personnel, everyone with covid19 dies. This messaging changed as soon as mask production was sufficient to meet demand. Trying to twist history with one of these right-wing propaganda sites is ... despicable ...

Don, we have studied masks since they became used in the early 1900's. No real study ever showed them to work even on bacterial diseases and some studies showed that there were MORE bacterial infections in operating room settings with masks than without.

Surgeons only wear masks to keep from being distracted by any spray from incisions and the like.

Here is a study showing that masks do nothing against corona viruses published in March of 2020 and updated in May after more experience with covid-19 which is nothing more and an influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article Fauci lied about anything and everything only to be rewarded by the Democrats for doing so, to assist their falsification of the elections.

Don't get distracted with the details (mask, no mask, two
masks, piece of tee shirt etc). As I wrote here a year ago
the main concern ought to be Virus #2. Why wouldn't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pandemic.html

I would be extremely skeptical about this claim. If they had a vaccine patented, why would they go through the huge expense of developing other vaccines? I suspect that this had something to do with the 2018 SARS-Cov-1 pandemic. The timing would also be correct for the one and entirely opposing the other.

The pathways and approaches for the various vaccines are
exceptionally (in some cases first ever in history)
innovative and each different.

But that is purely because different companies have different methods of developing a vaccine.

Utterly different.

At one time your phrase "different methods of developing a
vaccine" meant attenuation at some time/temperature, some
proprietary carrier fluid and some sort of preservative.

This is not necessarily that now. Here are three popular
approaches:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavir...aring-vaccines
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
..
What interests me most is how the speeding-up process exposed the pointless weight of an overweening bureaucracy laying its dead hand on new medicines.. I think it's possible that the way Mr Trump under pressure of the Chinese pandemic wielded a machete on a thicket of innovation-dulling regulations will in time to come seem more important to historians, perhaps definitively so, than almost anything else in his presidency. -- AJ
..