"Junior" Fatties??

Hunter wrote:
And pimping their kids on the net.
Hey Dumbass! More "kid pimping"
http://www.hampyouthcycling.com/default.aspx
http://www.berkshirecycling.org/races/youth.php
http://www.northeastbicycleclub.org/...only-bike-race
http://www.ecvcycling.org/
Lot's of good kid's stuff at that one. If you have a clue you might
recognize the Anthony name, as in Josh, Jesse and younger siblings on
the way up.
Just what do YOU do for youth cycling?
Bill C

You never know. If he keeps riding and sheds the weight he could pack
some serious power. Imagine if you trained and raced for years in a
"fat suit" that weighed 70 pounds and then one day you got to take it
off. Mike Jones, anyone?

-Smurf

Not enough, but:

Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.

In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
slow. Or whatever.

I'm not arguing that you don't have a right to be proud of your kids,
or other kids who excel, or that you shouldn't share that pride within
reason. However, when you taunt and mock children, and use your own
kids as tools of that process--that sucks.

If you're worried that the fat kids aren't getting enough taunting, you
needn't. That's what other kids are for.

Hunter wrote:

Not enough, but:

Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.

In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
slow. Or whatever.

I'm not arguing that you don't have a right to be proud of your kids,
or other kids who excel, or that you shouldn't share that pride within
reason. However, when you taunt and mock children, and use your own
kids as tools of that process--that sucks.

If you're worried that the fat kids aren't getting enough taunting, you
needn't. That's what other kids are for.


Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree!

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

I'll take your word for it Steve, and I'm glad I'm wrong about Bill,
since people willing and able to contribute to junior cycling are good
indeed.

Bill C:

You just sicken me. I have fun telling Chang that he's full of ****,
and I never miss an opportunity to make fun of Kunich's wife, but dude,
you are one guy with some messed-up ideas on sportsmanship (not to
mention the original poster). And why'd you whore out your own kids to
help out and further ridicule this racer?

20 years ago it was not uncommon to have junior fields of over 40-50
riders. Nowadays, good luck getting 6 starters. Guys like you go on
endlessly about fatties and what's wrong with people today, and then
you FINALLY see a kid out there on a VELODROME (that in itself takes
some balls) and you immediately make fun of his weight?

But I'll bet you've got one of the gay yellow wristbands on right now
(gotta support the cause, right?). So thanks...No doubt one of the
other juniors has already IM'd this kid with the link to this
discussion, and he already feels like ****....

But to the kid in the photo: Don't you listen to these assholes. You
were out there racing, and I'm proud of you. Few of your friends at
school have the guts to ride a bike around a banked concrete oval with
no brakes. I don't see Bill C out on the track either.

Bill C wrote:
Me wrote:
On 7/24/05 7:06 PM, in article
, "Bill C"
wrote:



Me wrote:
http://www.wheelsinfocus.com/img_4819tn.jpg
Don't know where the hell that was from, but ship his ass here to New
England and he gets spit out the back so fast that he looks like the
Cuban government retreating from a human rights committee.
Bill C


It is from Junior Natz this year!
That's really sad.
http://www.northamptoncyclingclub.org/images/podium.jpg
That's my daugter on the top right, and son in second. The other
person on top is Alessio Barres who is going to be a real name someday.
Bill C

Hunter wrote:
Not enough, but:

Bill, I question how truly worthwhile your contributions to youth
cycling are, when you are clearly willing to publicly humiliate the
kids taking part. Do you mock them openly in the parking lot at the
races? Taunt them? They're kids, Bill.

In the context of this thread, your use of your own children on a
podium was not mere parental pride, but an attempt to demonstrate your
own superiority as a cycling parent, because, thank god, your kids
AREN'T FAT, and they're WINNERS. That's not being involved in youth
cycling to give kids great opportunities to learn how to compete, to
take some reasonable knocks, to improve themselves, and to have fun.
Rather, it's being a typically self-obsessed, sports-parent jerk living
vicariously through his own kids, at the expense of other kids if
necessary. But it doesn't matter, because those kids are fat. Or
slow. Or whatever.
Yes I think I am a better parent than that kids. Not because my kids
raced and were succesful, but because we have done everything we can to
keep them healthy.
It's no secret that my son who was good enough to be a legitimate
National threat decided that hallucinogenic drugs were more fun than
racing. We spent two years and several ODs dealing with it. He's now
clean and was an honor roll student last quarter, but it took an
incredible effort on our part. Lot's of resentment because we had to
deny the other kids things to pay for his rehab/medical bills.
**** happens, then you try harder. Our other kids ride and race for
fun. We have no expectations and don't push them except to enjoy it.
Each of them has been allowed, and encouraged to find healthy things
that give them satisfaction and accomplishment. Luckily we have great
friends and family who have been more than happy to help out.
If that kid was here I'd be happy to ride with him and help out as
would the rest of us.
The reality is the first step to dealing with a problem is facing it
honestly and committing to making changes. It looks like this kid has
done that and I applaud him for it. If this kid has any kind of support
system his response to any taunts should be " Yep, I'm fat. I wish I
hadn't gotten this way, but now I'm fixing it and will be a lot better
for it." If there's a medical problem I hope he's gotten help for it.
There was a really good scene in one of the MASH books where a NY city
social worker who's doing a study in Maine asks one of the fisherman
why they take the **** from the guy running the fish market. He calls
them Dagos, Wops, etc... The fisherman gets really ****ed at the
researcher and says "It's not what he calls us, it's how he treats us.
He buys our fish at market prices even when he has enough. He helps
lots of our families, and he always treats us right. The rest is just
bull****, and we give it right back"
Don't get hooked on being offended, it blinds you to what's actually
happening a lot of times. I know a guy who comes off as an obnoxious,
loudmouthed, practical joking pinhead. He runs a small family heating
oil business, and is just getting by, but part of the reason he's just
getting by is that he fills a lot of his customers tanks, who are in a
bind or on fixed incomes, during the cold months and says "Pay me when
you can or don't worry about it." The only thing is he doesn't want
anyone talking about it.
What you see isn't always what you get.
Bill C

Heating oil, hallucinogenic drugs? Parentling skills? Huh? Your jab
at this kid had nothing to do with his parents' skills. But it did show
that you can be one mean-hearted mother****er when you want to be.
Like the other guys said, this kid doesn't need you to direct ridicule
his way: He gets plenty of it from the other kids, yet here he is, out
there doing it, and taking **** from you for having the audacity to
just be who he is.

And to show your pig-headedness, you show your "humility" by talking
about your kid's dope habit, yet all you really had to do was admit
that you were wrong about your comments here.

I'm glad you are proud of your kids, and I'm glad that you're a
proponent of youth cycling, But if you're going to publicly ridicule
my kid, then I want you nowhere near him, not do i think you should be
allowed to be part of the promotion of this sport.

Bill C wrote:


snip
Yes I think I am a better parent than that kids. Not because my kids
raced and were succesful, but because we have done everything we can to
keep them healthy.
snip

Just to be clear, you think making fun of a kid who's overweight is
justified because you feel you are a better parent to your kids than his
parents are to him? So if that kid loses all his excess weight and his
parents find a picture of your son in a drug-induced stupor they would be
justified in making fun of your kid because their son doesn't have a
chemical dependency problem? Would they be less justified in making fun of
your son if their son doesn't lose a lot of weight?

I am just trying to figure out the ground rules for when it is permissable
for an adult to make fun of a child. Even a drug-addled person like Rush
Limbaugh got the message that in general adults shouldn't pick on kids, but
maybe you are smarter than Rush and know something he doesn't.

It is a given this is a mean newsgroup, but I think there are limits. In
my opinion picking on kids for a cheap joke or because you feel smug and
superior should be one of them.

--
Bill Asher

On 26-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, William Asher
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:

Just to be clear, you think making fun of a kid who's overweight is
justified because you feel you are a better parent to your kids than his
parents are to him?

Let me just point out that it doesnt matter what anyone says about the kid
if the kid isnt listening. It's one thing to joke about a kids problem and
something very different to actually taunt him. The pictures are funny.
The reality is sad. I think we can tell the difference.

steve
--
"Local firemen improvised."
Benny Hill