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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:42:22 -0400, "Bill Brabender"
wrote: "Dave Head" wrote in message .. . On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" wrote: There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled. It's the whole system that needs to be changed. The License to Kill given to absolute beginners, the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right, something unheard of in Europe), There is nothing wrong with passing on the right. Period. I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe does is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago here when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things that included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the SL - 10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. Dave Head There's a reason they call it "undertaking" in the UK and it is still illegal there IIRC Allowing for differences of left and right hand drive:-) Fine, but _we_ aren't in the UK, and there is no more danger in passing on the right here than there is in passing on the left here. Dave Head |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:45:32 GMT, "Tomes" wrote:
"Dave Head" wrote in message .. . On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954" wrote: snip ....... the lack of lane discipline (passing on the right, something unheard of in Europe), There is nothing wrong with passing on the right. Period. I wish to hell people would stop coming up with this stuff. What Europe does is non-relavent in the USA. This silly law was repealed 30+ years ago here when we began building our interstates with left exits, among other things that included everyone being infuriated at someone in the left lane doing the SL - 10 mph and then getting a ticket for passing the SOB. Dave Head In New Jersey USA it is actually illegal to pass on the right except on a multi-lane road when the passee is making a left turn. If you do it on a freeway (or even on a 2 lane road when the vehicle in front is making a left) it is specifically illegal and people do get tickets for it. Tomes New Jersey is a famous nanny state that is going to protect absolutely everybody from absolutely everything, or so they think. Or, this may be more about making money via tickets. But in the vast majority of the remainder of the USA, including famously-speed-conscious Ohio, its still legal to pass on the right. Has been for 30+ years. Dave Head |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
n5hsr wrote:
Or the law about doing more than 20 over the limit is a felony. If that's so, then 99.999% of the drivers on the TriState Tollway are felons, because the average speed most of the time is nearer 80 than 55. I've seen some days when it hit closer to 90, and even the right lane is going 75-80. Charles of Schaumburg If such an Illinois law existed you could be closer to being right than wrong. Unfortunately for your hyperbole however, there is no such law. I can only guess that you are referring to the "fleeing to elude police" statute in which case you should stop quoting the law until you actually *read* it. Try- http://www.law.cornell.edu/states/illinois Regards, Bob Hunt |
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" wrote in message news On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:22:51 -0500, "n5hsr" wrote: Or the law about doing more than 20 over the limit is a felony. If that's so, then 99.999% of the drivers on the TriState Tollway are felons, because the average speed most of the time is nearer 80 than 55. I've seen some days when it hit closer to 90, and even the right lane is going 75-80. Charles of Schaumburg I don't believe there is any such law, though i'd love to see it. You got a link? No, I got that one straight from a State Policeman that is a friend of mine. No, he wasn't writing me a ticket. . . . . Charles of Schaumburg |
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"Bob" wrote in message ps.com... n5hsr wrote: Or the law about doing more than 20 over the limit is a felony. If that's so, then 99.999% of the drivers on the TriState Tollway are felons, because the average speed most of the time is nearer 80 than 55. I've seen some days when it hit closer to 90, and even the right lane is going 75-80. Charles of Schaumburg If such an Illinois law existed you could be closer to being right than wrong. Unfortunately for your hyperbole however, there is no such law. I can only guess that you are referring to the "fleeing to elude police" statute in which case you should stop quoting the law until you actually *read* it. Try- http://www.law.cornell.edu/states/illinois Regards, Bob Hunt 1. Page doesn't link. 2. I have a friend who just happens to be a State Policeman who told me about it. Either he's lying to me (very doubtful) or he was lied to by his superiors. Charles of Schaumburg |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" wrote in message ... On 29 Sep 2006 06:48:10 -0700, "Tim Kreitz" wrote: Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER. Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples, just for starters. HAHAHAHA. Don't start in with that nonsense again. The issue was settled back in 1974 when america went to the 55 and immediately highway deaths plumetted. But cars are actually much better now than the Detroit Land Yachts most were driving in 1974. My Corolla from back then could get up to 70. Anything over that and I'd start shaking parts off. My current Corolla's been up to 95, and it has over 226,000 miles on it, and regularly does 70 with no strain at all. As a matter of fact if I'm only doing 70, I'm way over in the slow lane on most tollways now, and someone's riding up my bumper. And it didn't really save that much gas. And those ridiculous 87 MPH speedometers. If I wanted a moped, I'd buy one. I buried the needle going downhill once. American cars may get their best mileage at 35, but the newer Japanese cars actually are geared to do better at 65-70. And if you check the accident rates, on the Autobahn with its higher speed, it's still lower than our 65 MPH Interstates. And they can go 200 MPH legally on the Autobahn. They have Porches and Mercedes and Ferrarris over there. And a slower traffic keep right rule. Charles of Schaumburg |
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Turby wrote:
wrote: "Tim Kreitz" wrote: Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER. Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples, just for starters. HAHAHAHA. Don't start in with that nonsense again. The issue was settled back in 1974 when america went to the 55 and immediately highway deaths plumetted. The safest roads in America are Insterstate highways - they are also the roads with the highest average speeds. I think it has rather more to do with the fact that Interstate highways have the lowest number of intersections of any typing of driving one does. People infrequently have accidents when they're all going approximately at the same speed going in the same direction. It's when you have intersections, driveways, crosswalks and similar breaks in the road that things get complicated. I noticed the original poster (DQ) added some new groups to his latest troll. It actually appears to be one of his more subtle trolls. The drunk driving angle is perhaps one of the better hooks he's employed. Still, I think he should work on adding more contention to the subject. Good try though. -- Dane Buson - To accuse others for one's own misfortunes is a sign of want of education. To accuse oneself shows that one's education has begun. To accuse neither oneself nor others shows that one's education is complete. -- Epictetus |
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There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:56:17 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:46:22 -0400, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:13:39 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote: Stop coddling these deadly speeders and DUIs and phone-drivers. Yea, and make stepping on the brakes in the merge lanes a felony. You can't merge on a highway with your foot on the brake! Are you serious??. Sometimes you have to slow down to merge. That's the stupidest idea i ever heard. Repeat after me: you cannot merge on the highway with your foot on the brake. You have to be going the same speed, (or slightly faster) to merge, if you slow down, (and then eventually stop) you can't merge. Then you are stuck at the end of the merge lane, stopped, (or almost stopped) traffic either wizzing past you at speed (as they should) or slamming on their brakes (and causing accidents; sorry, that's YOU causing accidents) to try to be nice and let you in. I see you are one of those idiots who gets to the merge, at *half* the speed of the others, twists their head all the way around, puts their foot on the brakes and then thinks "Damn, it's so hard to merge on highways". |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:11:44 -0400, PeterD wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:56:17 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:46:22 -0400, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:13:39 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote: Stop coddling these deadly speeders and DUIs and phone-drivers. Yea, and make stepping on the brakes in the merge lanes a felony. You can't merge on a highway with your foot on the brake! Are you serious??. Sometimes you have to slow down to merge. That's the stupidest idea i ever heard. Repeat after me: you cannot merge on the highway with your foot on the brake. You have to be going the same speed, (or slightly faster) to merge, if you slow down, (and then eventually stop) you can't merge. But the lane you're merging into often has vehicles going assorted speeds. THINK |
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote: On 29 Sep 2006 06:48:10 -0700, "Tim Kreitz" wrote: Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER. Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples, just for starters. HAHAHAHA. Don't start in with that nonsense again. The issue was settled back in 1974 when america went to the 55 and immediately highway deaths plumetted. In 1974 the Interstate highway system was still being built and was not completed until the late 1980s (I-95 in NJ Still incomplete!). 55-60 is about right on 2-lane roads. Mmmmm'ever hear of highway hypnosis? That's a phenomenon commonly mentioned back in Federal 55 relating to long drives down the Interstate at 55. Its stats may have contributed to the later Federal 65. Check out ALL the facts...and see the benefits. |
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