OT. Anything BICYCLING related going on here? LOL

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 14 February 2020 03:18:52 UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, 13 February 2020 18:24:10 UTC-5, Roger Merriman wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 February 2020 21:28:33 UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/12/2020 6:43 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Anyone here doing anything BICYCLING related?

Sort of. Yesterday I used my folding bike for a short ride. Turns out
the Cateye wireless cyclometer didn't register any speed or distance.
I'm hoping it's just that the sending unit's battery needs replaced.

This has been a frequent irritation in cold weather. The 20" wheels and
the tall stem make the distance from sender to display unit fairly
large, but still within the supposed range, according to the manual. But
for years I'd have problems with lost radio contact if the temperature
dropped below 40 F.

Last year or the year before, I decided it was because the handlebar
itself blocked the signal to some degree. I fabricated a plastic mount
to hold the display unit in front of the handlebar. It seemed to be
working until yesterday's ride, which was right about freezing. I'll
change the sender battery and see if it helps.

But I'm at an age where I no longer enjoy riding much below 40 F. Today
I'm fighting off a sore throat, which has been my usual punishment for a
cold weather ride. :-(


--
- Frank Krygowski

I'm really glad I'm comfortable riding when it's below freezing.
Otherwise I'd miss about 1/2 of the year riding here.

Batteries losing power when really cold is the main reason I'm staying
with an external battery pack headlight on my bikes.

Cheers


If anything surely a external should be more prone to cold since it’s
removed from most heat sources, though in practice the size of a external
should protect it, I have both systems and neither shows any effect which
is probably down to the size of the battery packs be they external or
internal.

The wee Garmin I use on the commute most definitely does get effected by
cold, as the temperature reduces to zero so the battery level drops, again
my older larger Garmin Touring is not noticeably effected by cold.

Roger Merriman

Nope. That's because with an external battery pack and the long cable I
get with them, I can carry the battery pack inside my jacket where the
battery stays nice and warm. I do t he same thing when I go into a store
= take the battery with me. Then when I come out I just plug the battery
back into the light and it works just like it does in warm weather.

Cheers


Does that not annoy you having the cable attached to you, I can get it if
it’s a helmet light, but if it’s on the bike the potential for tangling
would do my head in.

But people have their ways personally I can’t stand anything in my
jacket/top.

Roger Merriman

Nope. The cable runs along the top tube and then up into my jacket.
There's also a quick connect on the cable near my jacket. I much prefer
any slight inconvenience of having the battery inside my jacket instead
of having the battery outside my jacket and getting so cold it loses a
lot of its run time and leaves me riding in the dark. Since putting the
battery inside the jacket on really cold nights I have a light that has
the same run time in winter as it does in summer.

Cheers


I get out of the saddle being a old MTBer so that would be a no no! If the
battery is dropping a significant amount of charge unless it’s a much older
design it really shouldn’t be doing that, years ago using a Flash light
with rechargeable AA battery’s did get a fair drop on cold nights but none
of my lights noticeably drop now.

Roger Merriman

On 2/15/2020 1:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/15/2020 11:34 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:56:13 -0600,
Â*Â* AMuzi wrote:
Â* On 2/15/2020 8:24 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:49:53 -0600,
Â*Â*Â* AMuzi wrote:
Â*Â* On 2/14/2020 2:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/14/2020 1:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/14/2020 11:17 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Separate question: Andrew, on my bike, the logos were hand
lettered, not decals. Do you do that in your shop?

We do not ourselves. We hire it out to an artist; not
cheap, it's highly skilled labor.

Who did yours? Did you do it yourself?

I never attempted it. I did trace the original, hoping to
try it someday, but it's 30 years later and I haven't gotten
around to it!

Vaguely related: For a few years, I've been nibbling away at
a weird project, a "reflecting ceiling sundial." I'm at the
point where I need to paint a complicated set of overlapping
analemma curves on my ceiling.

If I had a skilled pinstripe artist or sign painter who
could work in an anti-gravity field, I'd hire him. But
pinstriping brushes and rollers don't seem to work well
upside down. I'm forced to double-mask dozens of these
curves. It's terribly tedious.

Â*Â* I asked because I couldn't think of a frame with hand
Â*Â* painted graphics. I still can't recall one.

The Waterford I bought back in 1998 had my name (in cursive)
painted on it.Â* I had assumed that was hand painted, but maybe
it was not?

In a thread tie (or maybe it was somewhere else in this
thread?), I bought the Waterford because I was envious of my
buddy's classic Paramount, and it seemed the closest I could
come to it.

Â* Waterford script (and block) graphics are dry mount film
Â* transfers: http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfdrs33.jpg

Â* I know the guy who screens them.

Interesting.Â* Just to double confirm, they use the same process
not just for the company name, but for the customer hame (i.e., a
one off, unique to each bike)?


Customer name or logo or motto (billing line says 'personalization') may
be either hand lettered by a not staffÂ* artist, like striping:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfdsam1.jpg

or computer generated letters.

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic calligrapher. It's
amazing what some people can do.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:01:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 2/15/2020 1:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/15/2020 11:34 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:56:13 -0600,
** AMuzi wrote:
* On 2/15/2020 8:24 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:49:53 -0600,
*** AMuzi wrote:
** On 2/14/2020 2:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/14/2020 1:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/14/2020 11:17 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Separate question: Andrew, on my bike, the logos were hand
lettered, not decals. Do you do that in your shop?

We do not ourselves. We hire it out to an artist; not
cheap, it's highly skilled labor.

Who did yours? Did you do it yourself?

I never attempted it. I did trace the original, hoping to
try it someday, but it's 30 years later and I haven't gotten
around to it!

Vaguely related: For a few years, I've been nibbling away at
a weird project, a "reflecting ceiling sundial." I'm at the
point where I need to paint a complicated set of overlapping
analemma curves on my ceiling.

If I had a skilled pinstripe artist or sign painter who
could work in an anti-gravity field, I'd hire him. But
pinstriping brushes and rollers don't seem to work well
upside down. I'm forced to double-mask dozens of these
curves. It's terribly tedious.

** I asked because I couldn't think of a frame with hand
** painted graphics. I still can't recall one.

The Waterford I bought back in 1998 had my name (in cursive)
painted on it.* I had assumed that was hand painted, but maybe
it was not?

In a thread tie (or maybe it was somewhere else in this
thread?), I bought the Waterford because I was envious of my
buddy's classic Paramount, and it seemed the closest I could
come to it.

* Waterford script (and block) graphics are dry mount film
* transfers: http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfdrs33.jpg

* I know the guy who screens them.

Interesting.* Just to double confirm, they use the same process
not just for the company name, but for the customer hame (i.e., a
one off, unique to each bike)?


Customer name or logo or motto (billing line says 'personalization') may
be either hand lettered by a not staff* artist, like striping:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfdsam1.jpg

or computer generated letters.

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic calligrapher. It's
amazing what some people can do.

When I was going to grade school "proper" "penmanship" was still not
unknown and I had one teacher what wrote the most beautiful
penmanship, "Spencerian" I think it was known as, that when she wrote
a note to your parents, "John must try harder", you wanted to frame it
to hang on the wall. :-)

A lost art.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:01:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic calligrapher. It's
amazing what some people can do.

When I was going to grade school "proper" "penmanship" was still not
unknown and I had one teacher what wrote the most beautiful
penmanship, "Spencerian" I think it was known as, that when she wrote
a note to your parents, "John must try harder", you wanted to frame it
to hang on the wall. :-)

A lost art.

Another cycling friend of mine is a retired teacher. Her penmanship is immaculate,
and precisely the same style they tried to teach me in 3rd grade.

OTOH, I was the student to whom they gave a special pencil, one that would guide
my fingers into the right configuration. They hoped it would help. It didn't.

- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:10:55 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:01:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic calligrapher. It's
amazing what some people can do.

When I was going to grade school "proper" "penmanship" was still not
unknown and I had one teacher what wrote the most beautiful
penmanship, "Spencerian" I think it was known as, that when she wrote
a note to your parents, "John must try harder", you wanted to frame it
to hang on the wall. :-)

A lost art.

Another cycling friend of mine is a retired teacher. Her penmanship is immaculate,
and precisely the same style they tried to teach me in 3rd grade.

OTOH, I was the student to whom they gave a special pencil, one that would guide
my fingers into the right configuration. They hoped it would help. It didn't.

- Frank Krygowski


Ah well, engineers aren't supposed to have good penmanship. Squiggles
that have to be interpreted are more the style :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:10:55 -0800 (PST),
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:01:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic
calligrapher. It's amazing what some people can do.

When I was going to grade school "proper" "penmanship" was
still not unknown and I had one teacher what wrote the most
beautiful penmanship, "Spencerian" I think it was known as,
that when she wrote a note to your parents, "John must try
harder", you wanted to frame it to hang on the wall. :-)

A lost art.

My previous boss does the most wonderful calligraphy you ever will
see. I still get lovely Christmas cards from her.


OTOH, I was the student to whom they gave a special pencil, one
that would guide my fingers into the right configuration. They
hoped it would help. It didn't.

Two-words: Zaner-Bloser. I had a grade school teacher who made me
use one of their pens. Ugh. Didn't help. The notion of moving
my whole arm was entirely foreign, and only made matters worse.

Ever since high school, I've written everything (except my
signature) in upper case block letters. When I write with care,
it looks almost as good as a draftsman's work. When I'm hasty,
it's still mostly legible.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 3:30:09 PM UTC+1, Ted Heise wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:10:55 -0800 (PST),
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:01:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic
calligrapher. It's amazing what some people can do.

When I was going to grade school "proper" "penmanship" was
still not unknown and I had one teacher what wrote the most
beautiful penmanship, "Spencerian" I think it was known as,
that when she wrote a note to your parents, "John must try
harder", you wanted to frame it to hang on the wall. :-)

A lost art.

My previous boss does the most wonderful calligraphy you ever will
see. I still get lovely Christmas cards from her.


OTOH, I was the student to whom they gave a special pencil, one
that would guide my fingers into the right configuration. They
hoped it would help. It didn't.

Two-words: Zaner-Bloser. I had a grade school teacher who made me
use one of their pens. Ugh. Didn't help. The notion of moving
my whole arm was entirely foreign, and only made matters worse.

Ever since high school, I've written everything (except my
signature) in upper case block letters. When I write with care,
it looks almost as good as a draftsman's work. When I'm hasty,
it's still mostly legible.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

An old colleague wrote his research reports always by hand in upper case block letters with a pencil. He had a beautiful handwriting. When he retired we gave him a font of his own handwriting for his computer.

Lou

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 06:47:10 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 3:30:09 PM UTC+1, Ted Heise wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:10:55 -0800 (PST),
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:01:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic
calligrapher. It's amazing what some people can do.

When I was going to grade school "proper" "penmanship" was
still not unknown and I had one teacher what wrote the
most beautiful penmanship, "Spencerian" I think it was
known as, that when she wrote a note to your parents,
"John must try harder", you wanted to frame it to hang on
the wall. :-)

A lost art.

My previous boss does the most wonderful calligraphy you ever
will see. I still get lovely Christmas cards from her.

Ever since high school, I've written everything (except my
signature) in upper case block letters. When I write with
care, it looks almost as good as a draftsman's work. When I'm
hasty, it's still mostly legible.

An old colleague wrote his research reports always by hand in
upper case block letters with a pencil. He had a beautiful
handwriting. When he retired we gave him a font of his own
handwriting for his computer.

Nice! A very thoughtful gift.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On 2/15/2020 7:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:01:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I have a friend who's a skilled and enthusiastic calligrapher. It's
amazing what some people can do.

When I was going to grade school "proper" "penmanship" was still not
unknown and I had one teacher what wrote the most beautiful
penmanship, "Spencerian" I think it was known as, that when she wrote
a note to your parents, "John must try harder", you wanted to frame it
to hang on the wall. :-)

A lost art.

Another cycling friend of mine is a retired teacher. Her penmanship is immaculate,
and precisely the same style they tried to teach me in 3rd grade.

OTOH, I was the student to whom they gave a special pencil, one that would guide
my fingers into the right configuration. They hoped it would help. It didn't.

- Frank Krygowski




Regular and repeated raps on the knuckles with an 18" wood
rule didn't work either.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 16/02/2020 15:47, wrote:

snip

An old colleague wrote his research reports always by hand in upper
case block letters with a pencil. He had a beautiful handwriting.
When he retired we gave him a font of his own handwriting for his
computer.

That is *so* cool. Mine would be akin to comic sans :-(