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"Blonde" wrote in message oups.com... On 24 Apr, 12:03, "Jan" wrote: "Women cyclists more at risk of death" http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....46427&in_page_... I agree that you do need to be assertive, (not sure about aggressive) to survive as a cyclist. I am female and have survived thus far so perhaps I am more assertive than some. I don't think this an excuse to jump red lights however. Yes it is. That is preciely what it means. Women are to willing to mindlessly folow the highway code/law "because that is what women do". I ignore all lights and traffic 'law'. The only thing on my mind is getting from A to B as quicky and safely as possible. What a totally OTT, lazy and deliberately written for 'shock value' peice of reporting. Well fine if you want to obey the laws so be it. But don't come running to me if you get crushed under the wheels of an artic. |
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Following on from Ziggy's message. . .
When we'd finished she calmly announced that she fully understood what we'd been discussing but would continue to cycle in the gutter because we got honked by motorists and she didn't. Good for trying. The answer to this one is "Great! It shows they've seen you." Would she stop cycling all together if people stuck their tongues out at her? No? Then why is she putting her life at risk for a motorised equivalent? Also, the further from the kerb, the faster you can go and the reduced conflict. If none of these work then suggest she gives up cycling. (Discuss) -- PETER FOX Not the same since the adhesive company came unstuck www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists |
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"wafflycat" wrote in message ... "Blonde" wrote in message oups.com... On 24 Apr, 12:03, "Jan" wrote: "Women cyclists more at risk of death" http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....46427&in_page_... I agree that you do need to be assertive, (not sure about aggressive) to survive as a cyclist. I am female and have survived thus far so perhaps I am more assertive than some. I don't think this an excuse to jump red lights however. What a totally OTT, lazy and deliberately written for 'shock value' peice of reporting. Haven't read the article, so not commenting on it specifically. As regards assertiveness, it's essential to be assertive when cycling in traffic. It's part of telling motorists what you are doing and when you are doing it and where you are going. It's not necessary to be aggressive, IMO, except, perhaps, when having to defend one's self in a bout of road rage from some idiot in a metal cage, and even then, discretion is often the better form of valour. I've found that some other female leisure cyclists I've met are far less assertive than I am, and I get the 'you are so brave, cycling on your own' line, or the 'it's too dangerous too cycle out from the gutter' Which kind of ironic when infact it is far more dangerous to cycle in the gutter. |
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What it doesn't make clear is whether in the two enumerated instances, the
cyclists cycled along the left of the lorry prior to stopping at the light. If they did, then I would hardly call that 'cautious'. Neither has it anything to do with aggression or assertiveness. It's simply suicidal. You are correct... ....except possibly 80% of cyclists simply don't know this. How many know how large the blindspots on commercial vehicles are? 5%? -- PETER FOX Not the same since the deckchair business folded www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:18:15 GMT, Ziggy wrote:
On 24 Apr 2007 14:58:51 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: While I agree about that, it is fairly rare to be able to see the lights any distance ahead if (a) there is even one large vehicle (a bus, lorry or whatever) in front of you and (b) you are not riding in the gutter. [snip] And, "if in doubt, don't risk it", is my motto. After all, it's only the *first* vehicle in the queue that you must avoid getting to the left of. (Or perhaps the first two if the second is a bloody great artic!) Also, lorries are, IME, quite good at indicating, so in some cases, if the lorry is indicating left you can cross the lane and 'overtake' it to get to the ASL. (Although there are quite a few contra-indications to that maneuver). Such as the law. You are supposed to enter the ASL by using the cycle lane that feeds it. -- Andy Leighton = "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ |
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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message ... We know a greater proportion of women than of men die in collision with lorries. We know women have shorter feet than men, in general. And wear the same sized shoes? I guess that women like to put a foot on the kerb when they stop. I know that the kerbside is not a good place to stop at traffic lights. I suspect women don't like to wait in the centre of the lane. I suspect this might cause problems. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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If proper blind spot mirrors were fitted as standard by law on trucks,
a lot of these deaths could be avoided. Drk www.bikesthatfold.com - Bikes That Fold is a resource for the folding bike devotee. |
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On Apr 24, 1:02 pm, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote: I suspect women don't like to wait in the centre of the lane. I suspect this might cause problems. I suspect also that women are more likely to be compliant with the road markings and stop behind the line at traffic lights and ride in the cycle lane. -- Dave... |
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Ah. So how do YOU know when lights are about to turn as you tool up
the psychle lane approaching an advanced stop box past a queue of traffic, especially when the phase times are variable (as is the case for many modern lights)? D) Or what? D) Is the same for all queues. The object is to use a space in front of a vehicle for yourself _when the traffic starts to move off_. To do this you need to be in a suitable position while the queue is stationary. This /might/ be squarely in the space in front of the first vehicle, but often there isn't any space in front of the first vehicle. So what then? Try for the space between first and second. Many times this will be your primary objective. Waiting level with the gap between vehicles in full view of the driver following. You don't have to get in the gap while stationary, but when it opens up as the vehicle in front moves off you must be in the right gear ready to claim it for yourself. * Use either side to overtake. Typically at walking speed or less on the inside and much faster on the outside. * If the traffic ahead starts to move then ease in front of a vehicle in a smooth merge operation at a speed you can fine control and at a position where there is an opening up gap between vehicles. This will often be at a very slow speed or you may stop for a second or two and move off at exactly the right moment when this bit of the queue starts to move. * Don't overtake lorries unless you're absolutely sure they won't move until you're well past them. * Don't overtake buses unless you're sure they're not going to move. (They move in mysterious ways.) * If it appears you can definitely make it to an advanced cycle stop box then use it (eg If the green man crossing is lit this gives you a few necessary moments), but like all cycle facilities they are only to be used if they offer a genuine advantage without compromising safety. -- PETER FOX Not the same since the adhesive company came unstuck 2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex. Gravity beer in Essex http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk |
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