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Old December 26th 08, 03:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Carl Sundquist
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Bill C wrote:
On Dec 25, 10:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni


Agreed, the question is just how disruptful was he being. Unless it
actually, physically made the interview impossible it's just rude.
Badly handled by just about everyone. I heard so many bad things
about the Nat's at KC, both years that this is just the cherry to top
it off.
I'm sure the folks out in oregon will do a much better job all
around. Hecklers are removed from events all the time, especially when
they start disrupting media stuff. Interview are/tent? An Official on
hand at the time? With media exposure being the bread and butter for
sponsors this sure as hell doesn't help sell the product.
Bill C


What I find unfortunate is that the media dragged in the name of the
team of the two guys. This was not any sort of team function and clearly
the guys in question were not wearing any team clothing. Since the point
was specifically made that Brad Huff was not involved, why throw the
team the guys were affiliated with under the bus?
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Old December 26th 08, 04:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Tom Kunich wrote:

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.


Personally I think that it would be cool to take it to court and listen to
the judge turn on the hairy one and jail him.


There is no distinction. It's all considered the same sporting event. With
the right to be cheered comes the right to be booed. Get over it.

Magilla

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Old December 26th 08, 04:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Dec 25, 8:55 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

As for the difference - I disagree, not if it's in a public place.


Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.


If that is the case, then like the sideline reporters, the organizers
should have held the awards/interviews in a more controlled forum.
However, I suspect what happened was unexpected, if not unprecedented.
Unfortunately, that just means that in the future organizers may feel
compelled to budget for a secured interview area or for security to
manage the interview area.


Kurgan, read the article. The actual interview
was inside the announcer's trailer, and the dumbass
was shouting from outside. That's classless.
Heckling during the race or sporting event is
good clean rooting fun while everyone is pumped,
but heckling afterwards is more screwing with the
announcers and trying to get on TV than anything else,
the lout equivalent of the rainbow-wig "John 3:16" guy.

It's not something people should get arrested for,
but a little retaliation is in order. I think giving
the heckler a noogie would be about right.
Maybe the organizers should hire Cori Page
for security patrol next year.

Similarly in the "DON'T TASE ME BRO" case,
if they had been able to give the guy a wedgie
and drag him outside, it would have been more
fitting and better for everyone involved.

How would you handle hecklers at a band gig?


A better analogy would be heckling not during the
gig, but following band members outside and heckling
while they are trying to put the amps and drum kit back
in the van. Somebody who does that will at least
get a heavy thing dropped on their toes.

Ben

P.S. I didn't quite understand why the article mentioned
Brad Huff; perhaps to say "Shirtless Guy lost his cool,
but don't blame Brad Huff aka Other Shirtless Guy."
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Old December 26th 08, 04:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

On Dec 25, 7:12*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:


I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.


Dumbass -

Didn't know until this thread.

As for the difference - I disagree, not if it's in a public place.

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni


Exactly.

But according to the Jonathan Page cocksuckers in here, you have the right
to storm the stadium and start knocking people's teeth in just because you
don't like the fact that they don't like you.

The logic of the people in here is hilarious.

Magilla

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Old December 26th 08, 04:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Bill C wrote:

On Dec 25, 10:44*pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni


Agreed, the question is just how disruptful was he being. Unless it
actually, physically made the interview impossible it's just rude.
Badly handled by just about everyone. I heard so many bad things
about the Nat's at KC, both years that this is just the cherry to top
it off.
I'm sure the folks out in oregon will do a much better job all
around. Hecklers are removed from events all the time, especially when
they start disrupting media stuff. Interview are/tent? An Official on
hand at the time? With media exposure being the bread and butter for
sponsors this sure as hell doesn't help sell the product.
Bill C


The organizers don't have the right to remove people from a public park.
Especially just because they are booing. Only the police have the right
to remove someone from a public park. And if they do it because of
speech content, they risk being sued.

The legal test is: would that same person cheering or saying something
nice be asked to leave? And if the answer is no, then you can't kick out
the guy who is booing or saying something rude because that means the
basis for the decision to ask him to leave is the CONTENT of this speech.

When you get a permit to run a bike race, that does not include the right
to regulate the speech of people in public places.

Do you think the drunks on Manayunk Wall in Philly who yell at the
cyclists are arrested? What the hell are you going to arrest them for?


Magilla

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Old December 26th 08, 04:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Carl Sundquist
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MagillaGorilla wrote:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

On Dec 25, 7:12 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.

Dumbass -

Didn't know until this thread.

As for the difference - I disagree, not if it's in a public place.

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni


Exactly.

But according to the Jonathan Page cocksuckers in here, you have the right
to storm the stadium and start knocking people's teeth in just because you
don't like the fact that they don't like you.

The logic of the people in here is hilarious.

Magilla


Who got their teeth knocked in?
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Old December 26th 08, 04:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Carl Sundquist
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MagillaGorilla wrote:

Bill C wrote:

On Dec 25, 10:44 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni

Agreed, the question is just how disruptful was he being. Unless it
actually, physically made the interview impossible it's just rude.
Badly handled by just about everyone. I heard so many bad things
about the Nat's at KC, both years that this is just the cherry to top
it off.
I'm sure the folks out in oregon will do a much better job all
around. Hecklers are removed from events all the time, especially when
they start disrupting media stuff. Interview are/tent? An Official on
hand at the time? With media exposure being the bread and butter for
sponsors this sure as hell doesn't help sell the product.
Bill C


The organizers don't have the right to remove people from a public park.
Especially just because they are booing. Only the police have the right
to remove someone from a public park. And if they do it because of
speech content, they risk being sued.

The legal test is: would that same person cheering or saying something
nice be asked to leave? And if the answer is no, then you can't kick out
the guy who is booing or saying something rude because that means the
basis for the decision to ask him to leave is the CONTENT of this speech.


Were you there? A friend who was there was of the opinion that it was
done as a publicity stunt. Under those circumstances regardless of
content, it is not unreasonable to ask someone to leave.


When you get a permit to run a bike race, that does not include the right
to regulate the speech of people in public places.

Do you think the drunks on Manayunk Wall in Philly who yell at the
cyclists are arrested? What the hell are you going to arrest them for?


Goddamn. This was POST RACE. You're moving the goalposts again. More
pussification of rbr.



Magilla

  #28  
Old December 26th 08, 04:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Amit Ghosh
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On Dec 25, 11:27*pm, MagillaGorilla

When you get a permit to run a bike race, that does not include the right
to regulate the speech of people in public places.

Do you think the drunks on Manayunk Wall in Philly who yell at the
cyclists are arrested? *What the hell are you going to arrest them for?


dumbass,

sometimes when we have events with a beer tent we are required to have
(private) security. they certainly can remove someone for being
"rude", though the reason cited would be intoxication.


  #29  
Old December 26th 08, 04:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:



Do you think the drunks on Manayunk Wall in Philly who yell at the
cyclists are arrested? What the hell are you going to arrest them for?


Goddamn. This was POST RACE. You're moving the goalposts again. More
pussification of rbr.


It doesn't matter if it's pre-race, during race, or post-race. A public park
is a public park.

Magilla

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Old December 26th 08, 05:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

On Dec 25, 7:12 pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:

I thought you didn't know what the 'heckling mess' was about.

There is a difference between heckling a participant during an event
(although Wellens didn't seem to know that) and heckling/disrupting an
interview.
Dumbass -

Didn't know until this thread.

As for the difference - I disagree, not if it's in a public place.

Analogy. after a football game, if the sideline reporter is
interviewing a player and fans are in the background
interrupting, booing, heckling, cheering, whatever.
well, that's just part of the gig.

thanks,

K. Gringioni


Exactly.

But according to the Jonathan Page cocksuckers in here, you have the right
to storm the stadium and start knocking people's teeth in just because you
don't like the fact that they don't like you.

The logic of the people in here is hilarious.

Magilla


Who got their teeth knocked in?


Page's dick-in-law tried to knock the teeth out of the heckler, but he got "the
crap kicked out of him" according to Cori Page, Jonathan's biggest sycophant.

Magilla

 




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