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  #41  
Old September 21st 09, 07:06 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
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On 20 Sep, 09:47, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 19 Sep, 15:56, Tony Dragon wrote:


So why do you always state, that a motorist who has an accident, is
guilty?


Motorists don't have accidents, they lose control and crash and that
is what makes them guilty.


So what about when a motorist suffers a heart attack or the sudden onset of
some other medical condition that prevents them retaining control Doug?

Good question and a good reason for mandatory annual medicals. They
are still guilty though, or at the very least their vulnerable victims
should not be in any way to blame.

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Old September 21st 09, 08:23 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
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Doug wrote:
On 20 Sep, 09:47, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 19 Sep, 15:56, Tony Dragon wrote:


So why do you always state, that a motorist who has an accident, is
guilty?


Motorists don't have accidents, they lose control and crash and that
is what makes them guilty.


So what about when a motorist suffers a heart attack or the sudden
onset of some other medical condition that prevents them retaining
control Doug?

Good question and a good reason for mandatory annual medicals.


How does that prevent a heart attack or other condition from ocurring?

They
are still guilty though, or at the very least their vulnerable victims
should not be in any way to blame.


Guilty of what Doug?


  #43  
Old September 21st 09, 09:12 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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Default Indeterminate jail term for killer driver?

Doug wrote:
On 20 Sep, 09:47, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 19 Sep, 15:56, Tony Dragon wrote:
So why do you always state, that a motorist who has an accident, is
guilty?
Motorists don't have accidents, they lose control and crash and that
is what makes them guilty.

So what about when a motorist suffers a heart attack or the sudden onset of
some other medical condition that prevents them retaining control Doug?

Good question and a good reason for mandatory annual medicals. They
are still guilty though, or at the very least their vulnerable victims
should not be in any way to blame.

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www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.


Would annual medicals prevent heart attacks?

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  #44  
Old September 21st 09, 10:54 PM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Chris Malcolm
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Default Indeterminate jail term for killer driver?

In uk.rec.cycling Tony Dragon wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 20 Sep, 09:47, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 19 Sep, 15:56, Tony Dragon wrote:
So why do you always state, that a motorist who has an accident, is
guilty?
Motorists don't have accidents, they lose control and crash and that
is what makes them guilty.
So what about when a motorist suffers a heart attack or the sudden onset of
some other medical condition that prevents them retaining control Doug?

Good question and a good reason for mandatory annual medicals. They
are still guilty though, or at the very least their vulnerable victims
should not be in any way to blame.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.


Would annual medicals prevent heart attacks?


An aquaintance of mine died of a heart attack while walking out of the
hospital, having been thoroughly tested and assured his heart was
absolutely fine. And while I was in a hospital ward, a chap who was
due to be discharged that day after a week's observation because they
found nothing wrong with heart had a heart attack in between the lunch
main course and the pudding. Luckily they were able to restart his
heart.

I believe nearly half of heart attacks happen to people who have no
specific medical indicators of raised heart attack risk. Much bigger
problem IMHO is falling asleep at the wheel.

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  #45  
Old September 22nd 09, 08:04 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_3_]
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Default Indeterminate jail term for killer driver?

On 21 Sep, 22:54, Chris Malcolm wrote:
In uk.rec.cycling Tony Dragon wrote:



Doug wrote:
On 20 Sep, 09:47, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 19 Sep, 15:56, Tony Dragon wrote:
So why do you always state, that a motorist who has an accident, is
guilty?
Motorists don't have accidents, they lose control and crash and that
is what makes them guilty.
So what about when a motorist suffers a heart attack or the sudden onset of
some other medical condition that prevents them retaining control Doug?


Good question and a good reason for mandatory annual medicals. They
are still guilty though, or at the very least their vulnerable victims
should not be in any way to blame.


--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Would annual medicals prevent heart attacks?


An aquaintance of mine died of a heart attack while walking out of the
hospital, having been thoroughly tested and assured his heart was
absolutely fine. And while I was in a hospital ward, a chap who was
due to be discharged that day after a week's observation because they
found nothing wrong with heart had a heart attack in between the lunch
main course and the pudding. Luckily they were able to restart his
heart.

I believe nearly half of heart attacks happen to people who have no
specific medical indicators of raised heart attack risk. Much bigger
problem IMHO is falling asleep at the wheel.

When you put it like that it is easy to see how dangerous driving
actually is. In truth nowhere is safe on our roads and pavements and
the totally innocent can be killed at any moment by a run-away driver.
One wonders why driving tests are so lax, and taxation and justice so
slight, as to allow so many people to get behind the wheel and then
present a serious threat to others. Isn't it long overdue that this
widespread menace should finally be reigned in and reduced to
reasonable proportions, if killing people can ever be considered
'reasonable'?

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.
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Old September 22nd 09, 08:07 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Brimstone[_8_]
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Default Indeterminate jail term for killer driver?

Doug wrote:
In truth nowhere is safe on our roads and pavements and
the totally innocent can be killed at any moment by a run-away driver.
One wonders why driving tests are so lax, and taxation and justice so
slight, as to allow so many people to get behind the wheel and then
present a serious threat to others. Isn't it long overdue that this
widespread menace should finally be reigned in and reduced to
reasonable proportions, if killing people can ever be considered
'reasonable'?


How does any of that prevent someone suffering a heart attack whilst driving
Doug?


  #47  
Old September 22nd 09, 08:41 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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Default Indeterminate jail term for killer driver?

Doug wrote:
On 21 Sep, 22:54, Chris Malcolm wrote:
In uk.rec.cycling Tony Dragon wrote:



Doug wrote:
On 20 Sep, 09:47, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 19 Sep, 15:56, Tony Dragon wrote:
So why do you always state, that a motorist who has an accident, is
guilty?
Motorists don't have accidents, they lose control and crash and that
is what makes them guilty.
So what about when a motorist suffers a heart attack or the sudden onset of
some other medical condition that prevents them retaining control Doug?
Good question and a good reason for mandatory annual medicals. They
are still guilty though, or at the very least their vulnerable victims
should not be in any way to blame.
--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.
Would annual medicals prevent heart attacks?

An aquaintance of mine died of a heart attack while walking out of the
hospital, having been thoroughly tested and assured his heart was
absolutely fine. And while I was in a hospital ward, a chap who was
due to be discharged that day after a week's observation because they
found nothing wrong with heart had a heart attack in between the lunch
main course and the pudding. Luckily they were able to restart his
heart.

I believe nearly half of heart attacks happen to people who have no
specific medical indicators of raised heart attack risk. Much bigger
problem IMHO is falling asleep at the wheel.

When you put it like that it is easy to see how dangerous driving
actually is. In truth nowhere is safe on our roads and pavements and
the totally innocent can be killed at any moment by a run-away driver.
One wonders why driving tests are so lax, and taxation and justice so
slight, as to allow so many people to get behind the wheel and then
present a serious threat to others. Isn't it long overdue that this
widespread menace should finally be reigned in and reduced to
reasonable proportions, if killing people can ever be considered
'reasonable'?

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.


Well that was an answer, nothing to do with heart attacks, but it was an
answer.

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Tony Dragon
  #48  
Old September 22nd 09, 10:13 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Norman Wells[_2_]
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Default Indeterminate jail term for killer driver?

Chris Malcolm wrote:

An aquaintance of mine died of a heart attack while walking out of the
hospital, having been thoroughly tested and assured his heart was
absolutely fine. And while I was in a hospital ward, a chap who was
due to be discharged that day after a week's observation because they
found nothing wrong with heart had a heart attack in between the lunch
main course and the pudding. Luckily they were able to restart his
heart.


Yes, but was it in time for the pudding? You can't just leave us in
suspense.

  #49  
Old September 23rd 09, 07:18 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_3_]
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Default Indeterminate jail term for killer driver?

On 22 Sep, 08:07, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
In truth nowhere is safe on our roads and pavements and
the totally innocent can be killed at any moment by a run-away driver.
One wonders why driving tests are so lax, and taxation and justice so
slight, as to allow so many people to get behind the wheel and then
present a serious threat to others. Isn't it long overdue that this
widespread menace should finally be reigned in and reduced to
reasonable proportions, if killing people can ever be considered
'reasonable'?


How does any of that prevent someone suffering a heart attack whilst driving
Doug?

It minimises the number of people who are likely to kill as a result
of a heart attack, obviously. You must agree that it is important to
get as many killers as possible off our roads?

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Old September 23rd 09, 02:07 PM posted to uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling
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"Doug" wrote in message
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On 22 Sep, 08:07, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
In truth nowhere is safe on our roads and pavements and
the totally innocent can be killed at any moment by a run-away driver.
One wonders why driving tests are so lax, and taxation and justice so
slight, as to allow so many people to get behind the wheel and then
present a serious threat to others. Isn't it long overdue that this
widespread menace should finally be reigned in and reduced to
reasonable proportions, if killing people can ever be considered
'reasonable'?


How does any of that prevent someone suffering a heart attack whilst
driving
Doug?

It minimises the number of people who are likely to kill as a result
of a heart attack, obviously.


How does it do that Doug? Perfectly fit people suffer heart attacks with no
warning at ll.

You must agree that it is important to
get as many killers as possible off our roads?


In which vein Doug, when are you going to give up using the roads? You
admitted that you're not fit enough to retain proper control of your
bicycle. Imagine the consequences if you lost control and veered into the
path of a car forcing the driver to swerve and knock over another cyclist.
Could you live with yourself?

 




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