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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. |
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In article , Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:19:45 -0500, Andy Leighton wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:02:00 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote: Bamboo bikes stuck together with fish-glue? Cheese glue would be better - I think it would hold up better to the stresses. Vegetarians would object to one; vegans would object to t'other. Vegans would object to both, surely? But real bamboo bikes seem to use epoxy glues. I'm sure projects like these would appreciate it if there was a suitable low-tech alternative that was easy to produce locally: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8125274.stm And, at the risk of restarting an old debate, here's a bamboo bike with some of the rear wheel spokes reinforced with bamboo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5VdRaJkc7c http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...sn=001&sc=1000 |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Why didn't you use your trailer? |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Why didn't you use your trailer? I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a couple of flags. One of my all time favorite rides was along the A20 / A202 from Lee Green to Brixton hauling 4 bikes behind my bike at the morning peak, so I certainly haven't been intimidated away from using it. |
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On 11 Sep, 16:14, Doug wrote:
On 11 Sep, 08:51, Ben C wrote: On 2009-09-11, Doug wrote: On 11 Sep, 01:05, Martin wrote: Doug wrote: On this newsgroup are motorists who also claim to be cyclists but who are highly critical of cyclists, which casts doubt on their claim to be cyclists. So what, for the purposes of debate here, might qualify as a cyclist? May I suggest the following: 'If a person travels further each year on a cycle than they do in a car then they can be regarded as a genuine cyclist'. Why does it have to be distance, why not time. If a person travels 120 miles a week by car and 100 miles by bike, they could easily achieve the car distance in 2 hours yet the bike distance would take many cyclists over 5 hours. They would spend longer in the saddle, than at the wheel. Because travel is consumerist and bad for the planet. What harm exactly does travel do to the planet? Are you concerned we're going to wear it out by driving across it too much? Travel is a form of consumerism which wastes non-renewable energy and pollutes. Also it tends to trash the environment at tourist hot-spots. Those who benefit financially from the tourist trade usual do so at the expense of their environment. There can be no doubt that humans love to move around a lot and this may be attributable to the hunter- gatherer instinct but technology has provided a way of proliferating travel to the extent that it has become a very serious threat to the environment. Couldn't agree more. For example, see this pic of some irresponsible individual riding a two stroke motorbike in the Sahara Desert. Just think of the CO2 involved in transporting that person there, plus the pollution caused by the motorbike in a fragile environment. What sort of person would do that, Doug? http://www.pnony.org.uk/maroc.html |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone" wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Why didn't you use your trailer? I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a couple of flags. One of my all time favorite rides was along the A20 / A202 from Lee Green to Brixton hauling 4 bikes behind my bike at the morning peak, so I certainly haven't been intimidated away from using it. You mean that you haven't been rammed? -- Tony Dragon |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone" wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Why didn't you use your trailer? I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a couple of flags. But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car? |
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BrianW wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:14, Doug wrote: On 11 Sep, 08:51, Ben C wrote: On 2009-09-11, Doug wrote: On 11 Sep, 01:05, Martin wrote: Doug wrote: On this newsgroup are motorists who also claim to be cyclists but who are highly critical of cyclists, which casts doubt on their claim to be cyclists. So what, for the purposes of debate here, might qualify as a cyclist? May I suggest the following: 'If a person travels further each year on a cycle than they do in a car then they can be regarded as a genuine cyclist'. Why does it have to be distance, why not time. If a person travels 120 miles a week by car and 100 miles by bike, they could easily achieve the car distance in 2 hours yet the bike distance would take many cyclists over 5 hours. They would spend longer in the saddle, than at the wheel. Because travel is consumerist and bad for the planet. What harm exactly does travel do to the planet? Are you concerned we're going to wear it out by driving across it too much? Travel is a form of consumerism which wastes non-renewable energy and pollutes. Also it tends to trash the environment at tourist hot-spots. Those who benefit financially from the tourist trade usual do so at the expense of their environment. There can be no doubt that humans love to move around a lot and this may be attributable to the hunter- gatherer instinct but technology has provided a way of proliferating travel to the extent that it has become a very serious threat to the environment. Couldn't agree more. For example, see this pic of some irresponsible individual riding a two stroke motorbike in the Sahara Desert. Just think of the CO2 involved in transporting that person there, plus the pollution caused by the motorbike in a fragile environment. What sort of person would do that, Doug? http://www.pnony.org.uk/maroc.html Don't forget the pollution involved in producing the motocycle and transporting it to the Sahara location, not to mention the continuing need to transport fuel and other consumables to there. |
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Ben C wrote:
The smug ****er round here who knows he is green is a ****e cyclist. When you say "round here" do you mean in RL? Nah, local to me. I would ride my bike even if it was bad for the environment. That is why I am a cyclist. I'm actually thinking of getting some "global warming denier" jerseys made up to reduce typecasting. Just find some of Clarkson's better wind-up quotes ;-) -- Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts. |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone" wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Why didn't you use your trailer? I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a couple of flags. But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car? My God! Do you need the whole story? The journey by car was to collect five bicycles. The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I belched out carbon for a few minutes. |
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