What is a cyclist?

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote:

I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist.

But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do
feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental
awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What
better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while
sneaking around furtively in your car!

I am a regular cyclist.

I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up
to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of
France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the
shuttle train service under the English Channel.

Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car?

What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10
miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle.

I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year,
one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five
children's bicycles in the boot.

Why didn't you use your trailer?

I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a
couple of flags.

But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car?

My God! Do you need the whole story?

The journey by car was to collect five bicycles.

The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so
would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I
belched out carbon for a few minutes.

Hmmmm, so your preference is for driving a car rather than using a bicycle
then.

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote:

I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist.

But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do
feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness
and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better
greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking
around furtively in your car!
I am a regular cyclist.

I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to
60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France
and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train
service under the English Channel.

Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car?
What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles
that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle.

I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year,
one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five
children's bicycles in the boot.
Why didn't you use your trailer?
I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a
couple of flags.

But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car?

My God! Do you need the whole story?

The journey by car was to collect five bicycles.

The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so
would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I
belched out carbon for a few minutes.

Don't let him rattle you.

Just like *everyone else*, you have a perfect right to travel by car.

Don't let any nutter try to convince you otherwise.

JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car?

My God! Do you need the whole story?

The journey by car was to collect five bicycles.

The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so
would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I
belched out carbon for a few minutes.

Don't let him rattle you.

Just like *everyone else*, you have a perfect right to travel by car.

Don't let any nutter try to convince you otherwise.

'scuse me!! I'm not *any* nutter!

Brimstone wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car?

My God! Do you need the whole story?
The journey by car was to collect five bicycles.
The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so
would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I
belched out carbon for a few minutes.

Don't let him rattle you.
Just like *everyone else*, you have a perfect right to travel by car.
Don't let any nutter try to convince you otherwise.

'scuse me!! I'm not *any* nutter!

Ssshhh!

You know full well what I was doing.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:17:27 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote:

I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist.

But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do
feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental
awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What
better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while
sneaking around furtively in your car!

I am a regular cyclist.

I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up
to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of
France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the
shuttle train service under the English Channel.

Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car?

What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10
miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle.

I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year,
one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five
children's bicycles in the boot.

Why didn't you use your trailer?

I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a
couple of flags.

But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car?

My God! Do you need the whole story?

The journey by car was to collect five bicycles.

The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so
would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I
belched out carbon for a few minutes.

Hmmmm, so your preference is for driving a car rather than using a bicycle
then.

No. I would have preferred to haul the bikes by bike. Safety
concerns over hauling an unladen trailer caused me to use the motor
vehicle.

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:17:27 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote:

I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist.

But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists
do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental
awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What
better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while
sneaking around furtively in your car!

I am a regular cyclist.

I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of
up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the
south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car
onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel.

Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car?

What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10
miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle.

I think that I have only used my car five times so far this
year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five
children's bicycles in the boot.

Why didn't you use your trailer?

I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to
fit a couple of flags.

But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car?

My God! Do you need the whole story?

The journey by car was to collect five bicycles.

The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so
would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I
belched out carbon for a few minutes.

Hmmmm, so your preference is for driving a car rather than using a
bicycle then.

No. I would have preferred to haul the bikes by bike. Safety
concerns over hauling an unladen trailer caused me to use the motor
vehicle.

I'm interested to learn what these safety concerns might be.

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:17:27 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:07:45 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:01:42 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote:

I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist.

But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do
feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental
awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What
better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while
sneaking around furtively in your car!
I am a regular cyclist.

I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up
to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of
France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the
shuttle train service under the English Channel.

Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car?
What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10
miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle.

I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year,
one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five
children's bicycles in the boot.
Why didn't you use your trailer?
I feel uncomfortable hauling it unladen. I keep on meaning to fit a
couple of flags.

But you said you had bicycles in the boot of your car?
My God! Do you need the whole story?

The journey by car was to collect five bicycles.

The trip could have been made by two bike trips, yes. But to do so
would have invovled hauling the trailer unladen twice. Instead I
belched out carbon for a few minutes.
Hmmmm, so your preference is for driving a car rather than using a bicycle
then.

No. I would have preferred to haul the bikes by bike. Safety
concerns over hauling an unladen trailer caused me to use the motor
vehicle.

Don't apologise. You were completely within your rights.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:30:44 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

No. I would have preferred to haul the bikes by bike. Safety
concerns over hauling an unladen trailer caused me to use the motor
vehicle.

I'm interested to learn what these safety concerns might be.

A numpty motorist, not paying proper attention, and ramming the
trailer.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:31:47 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

Don't apologise.

I won't.

"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:30:44 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

No. I would have preferred to haul the bikes by bike. Safety
concerns over hauling an unladen trailer caused me to use the motor
vehicle.

I'm interested to learn what these safety concerns might be.

A numpty motorist, not paying proper attention, and ramming the
trailer.

A valid concern, as my friend could testify. He was riding a tandem on his
own, and had to stop due to traffic in front of him. The car behind rammed
him, thinking he was on a conventional length bike.