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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. Are bike costs really that high a portion of your household budget? Are you really living that close to bankruptcy? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Are bike costs really that high a portion of your household budget? Are you really living that close to bankruptcy? Nonsense. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
On 5/6/2020 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Coincidentally, we made a pretty large donation to our local food bank a couple weeks ago. Also to a couple other organizations that are in need. But I don't mind buying tires. Maybe a month ago, I needed to replace some handlebar tape. I hadn't remembered that the price of that stuff had gotten up to $20. To me, that does seem a bit exorbitant. But I paid it without complaint, instead of wrapping the bars using old inner tubes. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:49:22 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/6/2020 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Coincidentally, we made a pretty large donation to our local food bank a couple weeks ago. Also to a couple other organizations that are in need. But I don't mind buying tires. Maybe a month ago, I needed to replace some handlebar tape. I hadn't remembered that the price of that stuff had gotten up to $20. To me, that does seem a bit exorbitant. But I paid it without complaint, instead of wrapping the bars using old inner tubes. -- - Frank Krygowski I find that Renfrew brand hockey tape works really well as a handlebar tape and looks a lot like the old school cloth tapes. Cheers |
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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
Sir Ridesalot writes:
On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:49:22 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Coincidentally, we made a pretty large donation to our local food bank a couple weeks ago. Also to a couple other organizations that are in need. But I don't mind buying tires. Maybe a month ago, I needed to replace some handlebar tape. I hadn't remembered that the price of that stuff had gotten up to $20. To me, that does seem a bit exorbitant. But I paid it without complaint, instead of wrapping the bars using old inner tubes. -- - Frank Krygowski I find that Renfrew brand hockey tape works really well as a handlebar tape and looks a lot like the old school cloth tapes. Are different brands of hockey tape very different? I once tried using hockey tape on handlebars and found it was poor substitute for actual cotton bar tape. Maybe I bought the ghetto brand, can't remember what it was. |
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Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?
On 5/6/2020 2:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/6/2020 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-06 10:26, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/6/2020 12:55 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I've never been a spendthrift, but your obsession with pennies-per-mile bike costs astounds me. I'm sympathetic to people who are terribly poor, especially through no fault of their own. But you don't seem to be one of them. I am not. I simply do not like to waste money. Or to put it another way, the savings from my last tire order went to the local Food Bank. Those guys need that money much more urgently right now than the shareholders of some tire manufacturer. Coincidentally, we made a pretty large donation to our local food bank a couple weeks ago. Also to a couple other organizations that are in need. But I don't mind buying tires. Maybe a month ago, I needed to replace some handlebar tape. I hadn't remembered that the price of that stuff had gotten up to $20. To me, that does seem a bit exorbitant. But I paid it without complaint, instead of wrapping the bars using old inner tubes. Next time, ask for the black tape the shop buys in bulk to build new bikes. Usually 'distributor brand', not Cinelli nor Deda, frequently half price of fashionable colors, brands. Of course when you need pink tape, you need pink tape. That's $20. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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OK, I admit: [ Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?]
On 5/3/2020 12:16 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/3/2020 12:03 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. I’d tend to agree though as ever others choices is theirs alone and some folks like to furrow their own path! This said in terms of vs thorns I’ve not found the plus useful, as though it is fairly thick 5mm or so it’s also quite soft so if something does penetrate the tyre it can work it’s way down, though this was with Hawthorn which is a different shape ie long shard rather than well the Goats head, which I’d assume would stop it from keeping going? At which point for the Plain Marathon plus the depth of tread/tyre and length of the Goats Head thorn is very close! I’d thought that Marathon Plus Touring which I used for a year or so would be a better fit, much more tread and very robust tyres, huge service life as well. I did switch them out to BigApples as well the ride was appalling! And bar 2x that I’d had Hawthorn after it had been shredded just manage to push though. Everything else just ie thorns/glass/shards etc just embedded its self in the tread harmlessly. And thus far just over a year 4K miles or so barely any wear, I’ve picked out the odd shard but nothing has made it though. After reading here about the horrors of goat head thorns, I was very worried before doing some rides or a tour out west. But we never had one goat head flat. I know my bicycling life is charmed (um, knock wood; or give thanks to La Madonna del Ghisallo and St. Christopher). But I wonder if I was just lucky, or if I was not riding in goat head areas, or if my lack of flats was due to my tendency to ride away from the road's edge. Car tires do sweep roads clean. Notes on how the universe works: I mentioned above that I get very few flat tires. Well. My wife and I just got back from a grocery run. I was pretty heavily laden. It was a bit of a challenge to fit everything in my panniers, on top of my rear rack, etc. Halfway home I noticed my rear tire was low. I was able to pump it up once and make it the rest of the way without changing the tube, so that's at least some luck. And I don't know yet if it's a bit of glass, or maybe a pinch flat due partly to the load. But the lesson remains: Don't taunt the puncture gods! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Joerg wrote:
On 2020-05-03 15:28, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2020-05-02 19:10, sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...0c-tire-hs-440 Fifty bucks a tire? No! I bet those don't last much past 2000mi either and then that's too much money. If they'd last 5000mi it would be ok. Marathons be they plus or not are famously durable, being touring tyres I changed out the Marathon plus Touring at 8K they had just about worn in, ie barely detectable wear. Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should try them. If they last 5000mi or more they'd be worth the high price. I've never had any tire last that long but maybe they found the magic rubber compound. Well it’s a harder compound as you’d expect from a Touring tyre, Big Apples have similar, mine are on a old MTB though I have used the 25mm form, which where fine though like but more so than Conti Gattorskins skittish on wet tarmac due to the hard compound, it’s fine on the MTB as 2inch at 40psi it holds wet road and even metal work etc fine, not up to the lovely 2.4 inch stuff on the full suspension that will cling on, off camber wet slate and what not, but good enough! I swapped them out since I noticed that the ride was very harsh and that nothing seem to penetrate the tread plenty of embedded shards etc, Thus far the Big Apples have done 4K with little sign of wear I’d expect to at least double that. In fact, the blowouts were mostly with expensive brand name tires, Continental Gatorskin. Never had one with Vee Rubber or Vittoria, so far. I get between 1200mi and 2000mi out of these depending on where I ride. Mostly less than 1500mi but at about $15 a pop that's ok. ... But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. Weight is the least of my concerns or no concern at all. I just want stuff not to fail during rides. So all my bikes have tire liners plus thorn-resistant tubes. The MTB has a regular tube around the tire liner in addition. Rides like a tank, and no flats. On the commute bike it’s not weight after all I’m lugging kit back and fore, but it’s a more ride quality, which is twofold 1st much less harsh ride particularly if loaded, 2nd bike is much more fun, on days can even if fully loaded have some fun. Riding comfort and weight are the least of my concerns. I just want to get there in time, meaning without a flat, and get a good number of miles per dollar. I got fed up with the bike riding like a pig, and I clock up a fair few miles 100+ per week so not being battered is a huge gain for me. And they’re not particularly expensive and seem to last I think I’m up to 4K now? With a few war wounds but little wear. Roger Merriman |
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OK, I admit: [ Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?]
On 5/6/2020 4:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/3/2020 12:16 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2020 12:03 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: sms wrote: On 4/30/2020 3:03 PM, Joerg wrote: Just had a Kenda thorn-resistant tube fail. It lost pressure suddenly and overnight without being ridden the day before. It started to split along a factory seam. This seems to happen ever since they started making them less than the usual 3mm thick towards the rim. Does anyone know who still makes the real stuff, 3mm thick all around? Or maybe another good version thorn-resistant tube? I am running 700c 25mm tires with an additional tire liner in there. Might go to 28mm in back some day. The only time I ever lost 3mm all-around tubes was upon violent tire blow-outs (sidewall failure). Your problem is not with the tubes, it's with the tires. What you want is Schwalbe Marathon Plus HS 440 11100766.01 700C x 25. But beware that the protection layer adds some height to the tire and it may not fit on all road bicycles with caliper brakes. I’d tend to agree though as ever others choices is theirs alone and some folks like to furrow their own path! This said in terms of vs thorns I’ve not found the plus useful, as though it is fairly thick 5mm or so it’s also quite soft so if something does penetrate the tyre it can work it’s way down, though this was with Hawthorn which is a different shape ie long shard rather than well the Goats head, which I’d assume would stop it from keeping going? At which point for the Plain Marathon plus the depth of tread/tyre and length of the Goats Head thorn is very close! I’d thought that Marathon Plus Touring which I used for a year or so would be a better fit, much more tread and very robust tyres, huge service life as well. I did switch them out to BigApples as well the ride was appalling! And bar 2x that I’d had Hawthorn after it had been shredded just manage to push though. Everything else just ie thorns/glass/shards etc just embedded its self in the tread harmlessly. And thus far just over a year 4K miles or so barely any wear, I’ve picked out the odd shard but nothing has made it though. After reading here about the horrors of goat head thorns, I was very worried before doing some rides or a tour out west. But we never had one goat head flat. I know my bicycling life is charmed (um, knock wood; or give thanks to La Madonna del Ghisallo and St. Christopher). But I wonder if I was just lucky, or if I was not riding in goat head areas, or if my lack of flats was due to my tendency to ride away from the road's edge. Car tires do sweep roads clean. Notes on how the universe works: I mentioned above that I get very few flat tires. Well. My wife and I just got back from a grocery run. I was pretty heavily laden. It was a bit of a challenge to fit everything in my panniers, on top of my rear rack, etc. Halfway home I noticed my rear tire was low. I was able to pump it up once and make it the rest of the way without changing the tube, so that's at least some luck. And I don't know yet if it's a bit of glass, or maybe a pinch flat due partly to the load. But the lesson remains: Don't taunt the puncture gods! There's that. And goes both ways. The Europeans were not much bothered by yaws, but the New World variant remains troublesome to this day -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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OK, I admit: [ Does anyone know good thorn-resistant tubes?]
On 5/6/2020 7:27 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/6/2020 4:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: Notes on how the universe works: I mentioned above that I get very few flat tires. Well. My wife and I just got back from a grocery run. I was pretty heavily laden. It was a bit of a challenge to fit everything in my panniers, on top of my rear rack, etc. Halfway home I noticed my rear tire was low. I was able to pump it up once and make it the rest of the way without changing the tube, so that's at least some luck. And I don't know yet if it's a bit of glass, or maybe a pinch flat due partly to the load. But the lesson remains: Don't taunt the puncture gods! There's that.* And goes both ways. The Europeans were not much bothered by yaws, but the New World variant remains troublesome to this day Andrew, I think you attached that to the wrong thread. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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