Helmet Nazis at It Again!

In article . com,
"Pat" writes:

My question is: What happens to a helmet that renders it needing
to be replaced if it falls on the floor?

Note I didn't even qualify between a carpeted living room floor
or a concrete-slab basement floor. Heretofore nobody else has, either.

The foam can compress, break apart,
fracture, etc. under the plastic shell and you'd never know it.

/How/? What deformations does it incur? And why are bicycle helmets
allowed to be so frail?

And as I previously asked -- if bicycle helmets are so fragile,
what good are they?

Hello? Hello-oh!! Is there anybody out there to answer my questions?

Especially the one about how if a bicycle helmet is so fragile that
it must be replaced if dropped on the floor, what good is such a frail
structure while riding?

Hey, gawd-f***ing dammit, I live in a jurisdiction where I
either have to wear a glorified styrofoam egg-carton on my
head while riding, or pay a punishing fine if I don't.

So tell me -- what tangible benefits to I get from being
legistatedly forced to wear a glorified egg carton on my head
while riding, tbat's so useless that it has to be replaced if
I drop it on the floor?

As for accidentally dropping helmets on the floor, it seems
to me that styrofoam is not glass.

Sure it's like glass -- fiberglass. I believe that's what the outer
layer is.

I don't think so.

If you go down (or drop it) once, it might look fine but be cracked.

How? I've dropped a lot of styrofoam in my time, and have never
had it shatter or be damaged such that it can't survive a second
dropping.

The next time (and hopefully there isn't a next time)

Yeah, a person could go broke, replacing helmets that have been
accidentally dropped on the living room carpet.

it might not hold
together when it is whacked.

Impacts could cause a number of things to go wrong.

You can say that again. But it seems to me a helmet should
be able to survive a little rough[ish] handling.

It could cause a
crack that cause the helmet to split in half on the second impact. It
could also compress the foam (which isn't elastic) and the second time
you don't have the same level of protection becaus the foam is
compromised. You could also have a situation that there is a crack
near the chin/ear and if you impact something it could break off a
chunk and the chin strap would have nothing to hold onto and the helmet
could come off.

How utterly useless.

For some bikes, like mine, you're talking a 850lb bike with the engine
the same size as a small car. Lots of things can go wrong just because
of the size, weight, speed and the fact that you are out in the car
lanes.

You do realize we're talking about /bicycle/ helmets, don't you?
As in Bell[tm] "Courage For Your Head" egg carton material.


cheers,
Tom

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In article ,
Zoot Katz writes:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:57:55 -0700, (Tom
Keats) concluded:
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As for accidentally dropping helmets on the floor, it seems
to me that styrofoam is not glass.

I wear a skate rated pot with a hard shell. They're supposedly able
to take multiple impacts from one meter. That's about how far I drop
it at least once a week.

Sk8 lids provide some protection to the occipital
(perhaps the most vulnerable) region of the skull.
Typical bike helmets are designed as if yer gonna
land on yer crown in a fall. About the only way a
rider is going to hit anything with his/her crown
is in a head-on collision with a motor vehicle where
the rider gets torpedo-launched into the windshield,
or flung over & behind the motor vehicle, landing
head-first onto the road. And while helmets aren't
ostensibly intended for that, that's the skull
protection their design implies (or downright lies about.)

Actually, I'm particularly appreciating my own bucket
right now, now that horse chestnuts are falling out
of the boulevard trees.

I once tested it by walking, head-down, into a brick wall.

Better replace it ;-)

IIRC it had something to do with demonstrating a point during a
headgear discussion.

Wearing the required hard-hat at work, I'd sometimes deliberately
walk into a stud or door frame just to comment how glad I was to have
been wearing that plastic hat.

Wear 'em backwards in the rain, and they gutter the rain behind
your back like a fireman's hat. More or less. Until you look down
to roll a smoke.


cheers,
Tom

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In article ,
R Brickston rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ writes:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:22:17 -0700, (Tom Keats)
wrote:

In article ,
R Brickston rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ writes:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:49:50 -0700, (Tom
Keats) wrote:

In article ,
Bill Baka writes:

My only response to this thread is about the same as before.

Everybody's an expert.

Especially you.

Whoa....! Keats Attacks Baka .......!

You're an expert too.

Takes one to know one, Thomas.

dither choke splutter

Okay, Brickston -- you win /this/ round ...

heh

But I'll be back.

Prob'ly.

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Gary L. Burnore wrote:
On 15 Sep 2006 18:33:12 -0700, "Beach Runner"
wrote:


Two years ago my father, now 80 was riding. He ducked under a bunch of
branches,
stuck his head up, and there was a tree limb.

Without a helmet, he's dead.

Maybe. Maybe not. You'll never know now.
--

If you saw the helmet, there'd be little doubt.

I don't think adults should be required to wear helmets, I don't
always. But it's incredilby
stupid not to.

In article .com,
"Beach Runner" writes:

I don't think adults should be required to wear helmets, I don't
always. But it's incredilby
stupid not to.

So, sometimes you're incredibly stupid?

Me, too GG :-) :-) Especially as an adult who's
/required/ to wear a helmet.

Oh, well. At least behelmeted cyclists give drivers
a better sense of comfort, so drivers don't have to
go through the irritating tribulations of having to
be, y'know, careful.

Interesting, how the most vocal bicycle helmet proponents
are ugh spit ... drivers.


Cheers, and subsequent cheers, & hail, fellow -- well met,
Tom


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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
.. .
The major part of his liver fell in the exact middle of their cloth. His
head, unhurt, was about 50 feet away, without a helmet.

You are SO full of ****.

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Liberal Nazis.

Only in America...

You imply that Nazis are not liberal, hence they are conservative. But
Nazis were socialists (with some additional sick ideas). Hardly a
conservative ideology.

Hardly liberal, either, eh?

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into
two kinds of people, and those who don't.

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In article ,
Zoot Katz writes:

I once tested it by walking, head-down, into a brick wall.

Better replace it ;-)

He did, and it took a metric ****load of bricks.

In article ,
Bill Baka writes:

For you, a big "Duh!".

Chingada loco gringo.


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Roger Houston wrote:
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Liberal Nazis.

Only in America...

You imply that Nazis are not liberal, hence they are conservative. But
Nazis were socialists (with some additional sick ideas). Hardly a
conservative ideology.

Hardly liberal, either, eh?

I didn't mean to suggest nazism was liberal. It's just interesting how
liberals often draw parallels between nazism and modern conservatism,
despite the fact that nazism had a leftist socialist agenda (aside from
the other sick ideas that were neither left nor right).

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into
two kinds of people, and those who don't.

I like that. ;-)

Joseph