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safety in numbers? Fail
Paul Carmichael wrote:
On 27/05/12 19:30, Squashme escribió: http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...ed-hospital-bi... the url is broken. http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...ail/story.html |
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safety in numbers? Fail
On May 26, 1:47*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
So they were turning right from a side road without ascertaining that the road was clear, probably relying on force of numbers to try and coerce people into giving way to them. An unlikely assumption. Some people (usually slower riders that don't normally ride on their own) just lose road sense and play follow the leader. In a leisurely group (and with few exceptions, a group with a 73 year old woman would be leisurely) a good leader would usually point out when they are crossing or joining a busy road. Remarkable but so be it. A silly mistake, no ulterior motive. |
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safety in numbers? Fail
On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:30:51 -0700, Squashme wrote:
On May 26, 1:47 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote: "A PENSIONER was last night being treated for serious head injuries she suffered in a collision with a motorbike. The female cyclist was taken to the Unviersity Hospital of North Staffordshire by air ambulance following the smash on the A54 in Somerford, Congleton, at 11.25am yesterday. The 73-year-old woman was in a group of cyclists which was exiting from Moss Lane on to the A54, travelling towards Congleton." So they were turning right from a side road without ascertaining that the road was clear, probably relying on force of numbers to try and coerce people into giving way to them. Give way lines and signs need to be obeyed by all classes of road user. Visibility is good in both directions. My thoughts are with the motorcyclist. http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...ed-hospital-bi... Anybody know this road? Not much detail, but if visibility is good in both directions, does any blame attach to the motorcyclist? Of course. He was on a Harley. |
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safety in numbers? Fail
On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT), Squashme
wrote: The female cyclist was taken to the Unviersity Hospital of North Staffordshire by air ambulance following the smash on the A54 in Somerford, Congleton, at 11.25am yesterday. Anybody know this road? Not much detail, but if visibility is good in both directions, does any blame attach to the motorcyclist? Not if he could spell "University" properly. Shocking. |
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safety in numbers? Fail
On May 28, 1:18*am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT), Squashme wrote: The female cyclist was taken to the Unviersity Hospital of North Staffordshire by air ambulance following the smash on the A54 in Somerford, Congleton, at 11.25am yesterday. Anybody know this road? Not much detail, but if visibility is good in both directions, does any blame attach to the motorcyclist? Not if he could spell "University" properly. Shocking. That's the way the newspaper spelt it, so it must be right. Perhaps it is regional dialect. |
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safety in numbers? Fail
On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT), Squashme
wrote: Anybody know this road? Not much detail, but if visibility is good in both directions, does any blame attach to the motorcyclist? http://goo.gl/maps/K5uO is the junction and the cyclists would have been turning right towards Congleton. There usually isn't much traffic on the A54 to the west of the M6. I wonder if the group of cyclists were "considering themselves a single vehicle" as some seem to take it upon themselves to do to keep the group together and the motorcyclist assumed they were simply a bunch of individuals who would give way as they were supposed to? By the time each realised what was happening it was too late. |
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safety in numbers? Fail
On May 28, 12:31*pm, Peter Parry wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT), Squashme wrote: Anybody know this road? Not much detail, but if visibility is good in both directions, does any blame attach to the motorcyclist? http://goo.gl/maps/K5uOis the junction and the cyclists would have been turning right towards Congleton. *There usually isn't much traffic on the A54 to the west of the M6. *I wonder if the group of cyclists were "considering themselves a single vehicle" as some seem to take it upon themselves to do to keep the group together and the motorcyclist assumed they were simply a bunch of individuals who would give way as they were supposed to? *By the time each realised what was happening it was too late. Only a few seconds to do anything. Should have broken up into smaller batches. A large group restricts what any individual can do. I suppose sending scouts ahead to either bend would be cumbersome. And how often would they have to do it on a ride? |
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safety in numbers? Fail
On Mon, 28 May 2012 06:08:17 -0700, Phil W Lee
wrote: Squashme considered Sun, 27 May 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: Anybody know this road? Not much detail, but if visibility is good in both directions, does any blame attach to the motorcyclist? I believe I've used it in the past, having checked on Google Earth and viewed the junction on Streetview. As a (former) motorcyclist and cyclist, I would say that legal speeds on that road would be rare among motorcyclists (even those on Harleys), and judgment of the speed of an approaching motorcyclist is quite likely to be sub-optimal in a 73 y.o of any transport type or gender. So without additional information, it seems likely that there was some fault on both sides. Really? When the sign clearly says "GIVE WAY" and there's no evidence the motorcycle was speeding? |
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safety in numbers? Fail
In article , Thomas says...
On Mon, 28 May 2012 06:08:17 -0700, Phil W Lee wrote: Squashme considered Sun, 27 May 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: Anybody know this road? Not much detail, but if visibility is good in both directions, does any blame attach to the motorcyclist? I believe I've used it in the past, having checked on Google Earth and viewed the junction on Streetview. As a (former) motorcyclist and cyclist, I would say that legal speeds on that road would be rare among motorcyclists (even those on Harleys), and judgment of the speed of an approaching motorcyclist is quite likely to be sub-optimal in a 73 y.o of any transport type or gender. So without additional information, it seems likely that there was some fault on both sides. Really? When the sign clearly says "GIVE WAY" and there's no evidence the motorcycle was speeding? It is *always* the fault of the motorcyclist. Look at the case of the motorcyclist who was taking a bend to the left, positioned in about the same place as the driver of a car would be. A Lithuanian truck driver crossed the white line and hit him, causing injuries severe enough for his right leg to be amputated. On appeal, the truck driver's QC argued that the motorcyclist could have been safe if he had been riding in the centre of his lane, rather than out by the white line. Lord Justice Richards stated: "A finding of negligence in this case would, to my mind, be to impose an unacceptably high standard on the driver." This was heard in the Court Of Appeal, which means legal precedent has been set and this case can be referred to in future hearings. http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...urt-overturns- riders-crash-compensation/20647.html I'd expect you to ride (in the UK) on the same line that I would - on a left hander, out by the line for maximum visibility around the bend and on a right hander, near enough in the gutter for maximum forward view. It's OK if you're a trucker, though, as you can now legally swerve all over the road, skittling other road users left and right as it is just too onerous to stay on the correct side of the road. -- Pip: Keeper of the Cable Ties |
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safety in numbers? Fail
Pip wrote:
I'd expect you to ride (in the UK) on the same line that I would - on a left hander, out by the line for maximum visibility around the bend and on a right hander, near enough in the gutter for maximum forward view. It's OK if you're a trucker, though, as you can now legally swerve all over the road, skittling other road users left and right as it is just too onerous to stay on the correct side of the road. Did you read up on the circumstances? The Beak didn't seem to be far off the mark, unless we think all narrow roads with blind bends should be closed to large traffic. It was wheels across the white line because the road was narrow and the truck was not moving rapidly. That said the biker failed the second test. Keep your ****ing mouth shut. What didn't get mentioned was the ~30% of accidents, where blame accrues to a truck or HGV, being a LHD vehicle. Wouldn't want to set a legal precedent forcing a change of tractor units at ports. -- Hog Remember the 4 "F" rule: If you're not ****ing me, Feeding me or Financing me ....your opinions really don't matter, so you can **** off |
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