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Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
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Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
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Under Florida Code (102.168), Gore was REQUIRED to challenge ALL
COUNTIES, not just 4 DEMOCRAT majority counties. The fact is Gore had
36 days to get a full statewide recount, but Gore was AFRAID that he
would lose. That is why he tried to cherry pick 4 counties that were
friendly to his cause.

I do not dispute that Gore ****ed up.

I also do not dispute that Bush didn't actually win the
vote in Florida.

He won under the laws that were in place before the election.

He did not win the vote.

Bush won under the laws of Florida.

Bush did not win. He was granted the election under
the vote of the SCOTUS following expiration of the
applicability of the laws of the United States. As there
was never a valid count before that time, and the count
eventually used was proctored badly by partisans in the
Florida statehouse, the laws of Florida were mooted,
as was noted by the Florida Supreme Court.

The NORC says that they gained access to 175,010 of the 179,855
disputed ballots, thus their recount did not include all of the
disputed ballots.

They gained access to more ballots to recount than anyone else did.

So what??

So they counted the ballots and Bush lost.

The NORC disagrees. They specifically said that they could not
identify a winner. The reason is they could not get a clear recount.

They got 9 clear recounts, in the paradigms I showed you,
and I pointed out the paradigm that would have been used
if the state were run equitably, and that method resulted
in Gore receiving more votes.

--Blair
"It was legal, but it wasn't democratic."

Blair P. Houghton wrote in message .. .
wrote:
Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
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wrote:
Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
...
wrote:
Under Florida Code (102.168), Gore was REQUIRED to challenge ALL
COUNTIES, not just 4 DEMOCRAT majority counties. The fact is Gore had
36 days to get a full statewide recount, but Gore was AFRAID that he
would lose. That is why he tried to cherry pick 4 counties that were
friendly to his cause.

I do not dispute that Gore ****ed up.

I also do not dispute that Bush didn't actually win the
vote in Florida.

He won under the laws that were in place before the election.

He did not win the vote.

Bush won under the laws of Florida.

Bush did not win. He was granted the election under
the vote of the SCOTUS following expiration of the
applicability of the laws of the United States.

Bush was certified the winner of the state on 11/26/2000. Under the
Electoral Count Act of 1887, Congress is the final arbiter on
Presidental Elections, thus there was NO REMEDY available to Gore to
win the state of Florida outright. It doesn't matter what any court
ruled, Gore was REQUIRED BY LAW to fight this out in CONGRESS.

Here is the US Code that outlines this process:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/3/15.html

As there was never a valid count before that time, and the count
eventually used was proctored badly by partisans in the
Florida statehouse, the laws of Florida were mooted,
as was noted by the Florida Supreme Court.

Bush state certification was granted as a result of the ruling of the
Florida Supreme Court, not the Florida Statehouse. The case was Palm
Beach County Canvassing Board vs. Harris.

He was certified UNDER THE LAWS of Florida under the watchful eyes of
the Florida Supreme Court, who took over the process on 11/17/2000.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/sc00-2346.pdf

Are you trying to tell us that the FSC was WRONG to get into issue of
state certification??

The NORC says that they gained access to 175,010 of the 179,855
disputed ballots, thus their recount did not include all of the
disputed ballots.

They gained access to more ballots to recount than anyone else did.

So what??

So they counted the ballots and Bush lost.

The NORC disagrees. They specifically said that they could not
identify a winner. The reason is they could not get a clear recount.

They got 9 clear recounts, in the paradigms I showed you,
and I pointed out the paradigm that would have been used
if the state were run equitably, and that method resulted
in Gore receiving more votes.

9 "clear" recounts that are within 500 votes with 4845 ballots left to
be checked. What part of a partial recount do you not understand?

You still have not proven that Gore won. In fact, Gore had 36 days to
try, yet he NEVER FILED for a full recount of ballots, nor did he file
for a recount of disputed ballots. If Gore really thought that the
won, why didn't he file for a full recount??

Please tell me how many Gore, Bush, Nader, ect votes were left in
those 4845 ballots.


--Blair
"It was legal, but it wasn't democratic."

On 22 Oct 2004 08:08:36 -0700, )
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The NORC disagrees. They specifically said that they could not
identify a winner. The reason is they could not get a clear recount.

They got 9 clear recounts, in the paradigms I showed you,
and I pointed out the paradigm that would have been used
if the state were run equitably, and that method resulted
in Gore receiving more votes.

9 "clear" recounts that are within 500 votes with 4845 ballots left to
be checked. What part of a partial recount do you not understand?

You still have not proven that Gore won. In fact, Gore had 36 days to
try, yet he NEVER FILED for a full recount of ballots, nor did he file
for a recount of disputed ballots. If Gore really thought that the
won, why didn't he file for a full recount??

Please tell me how many Gore, Bush, Nader, ect votes were left in
those 4845 ballots.


--Blair
"It was legal, but it wasn't democratic."

And 60,000 black voters were denied the right to vote through an
intentionally flawed "felony" list.

Not to mention crappy equipment in largely black precincts that
resulted in ballots being rejected at a rate of ten times that of
white precincts.

"dgk" wrote

And 60,000 black voters were denied the right to vote through an
intentionally flawed "felony" list.

Not to mention crappy equipment in largely black precincts that
resulted in ballots being rejected at a rate of ten times that of
white precincts.

Add to that tossing out military absenetee ballots for various supposed
irregularities.

It works both ways.

Pete

"Pete" wrote:


"dgk" wrote

And 60,000 black voters were denied the right to vote through an
intentionally flawed "felony" list.

Absolutely not true.

Not to mention crappy equipment in largely black precincts that
resulted in ballots being rejected at a rate of ten times that of
white precincts.

Add to that tossing out military absenetee ballots for various supposed
irregularities.

It works both ways.

Let's not forget that the networks called Florida for Gore an HOUR
before the polls closed in the heavily Republican Florida panhandle.
How many people were in line or getting ready to go to the polls do
you suppose THAT discouraged from voting?

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:32:52 GMT, Blair P. Houghton wrote:

wrote:
Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
...
wrote:
Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
...
wrote:
Under Florida Code (102.168), Gore was REQUIRED to challenge ALL
COUNTIES, not just 4 DEMOCRAT majority counties. The fact is Gore had
36 days to get a full statewide recount, but Gore was AFRAID that he
would lose. That is why he tried to cherry pick 4 counties that were
friendly to his cause.

I do not dispute that Gore ****ed up.

I also do not dispute that Bush didn't actually win the
vote in Florida.

He won under the laws that were in place before the election.

He did not win the vote.

Bush won under the laws of Florida.

Bush did not win. He was granted the election under
the vote of the SCOTUS following expiration of the
applicability of the laws of the United States. As there
was never a valid count before that time, and the count
eventually used was proctored badly by partisans in the
Florida statehouse, the laws of Florida were mooted,
as was noted by the Florida Supreme Court.

A group of newspapers and services got together and funded a recount of the
entire state. They took months. Bush won.

Ron



The NORC says that they gained access to 175,010 of the 179,855
disputed ballots, thus their recount did not include all of the
disputed ballots.

They gained access to more ballots to recount than anyone else did.

So what??

So they counted the ballots and Bush lost.

The NORC disagrees. They specifically said that they could not
identify a winner. The reason is they could not get a clear recount.

They got 9 clear recounts, in the paradigms I showed you,
and I pointed out the paradigm that would have been used
if the state were run equitably, and that method resulted
in Gore receiving more votes.

--Blair
"It was legal, but it wasn't democratic."

wrote:
Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Blair P. Houghton wrote in message
...
wrote:
Under Florida Code (102.168), Gore was REQUIRED to challenge ALL
COUNTIES, not just 4 DEMOCRAT majority counties. The fact is Gore had
36 days to get a full statewide recount, but Gore was AFRAID that he
would lose. That is why he tried to cherry pick 4 counties that were
friendly to his cause.

I do not dispute that Gore ****ed up.

I also do not dispute that Bush didn't actually win the
vote in Florida.

He won under the laws that were in place before the election.

He did not win the vote.

Bush won under the laws of Florida.

Bush did not win. He was granted the election under
the vote of the SCOTUS following expiration of the
applicability of the laws of the United States.

Bush was certified the winner of the state on 11/26/2000. Under the

You don't seem to understand the difference between "legal"
and "democratic".

It's a common fault among those who refuse to question their
universe.

--Blair
"Just stay ignorant."

Ronsonic wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:32:52 GMT, Blair P. Houghton wrote:
Bush did not win. He was granted the election under
the vote of the SCOTUS following expiration of the
applicability of the laws of the United States. As there
was never a valid count before that time, and the count
eventually used was proctored badly by partisans in the
Florida statehouse, the laws of Florida were mooted,
as was noted by the Florida Supreme Court.

A group of newspapers and services got together and funded a recount of the
entire state. They took months. Bush won.

In case you never noticed, this thread took this tack
when I posted the results. The fact is, in the scenario
that would have pertained had Katherine Harris been honest,
Gore would have won a full recount.

--Blair
"But she wasn't."

Mark Hickey wrote:
It works both ways.

Let's not forget that the networks called Florida for Gore an HOUR
before the polls closed in the heavily Republican Florida panhandle.
How many people were in line or getting ready to go to the polls do
you suppose THAT discouraged from voting?

How many do you think it encouraged to go vote to perhaps
change the result?

--Blair
"Someone once said 'it works
both ways'."

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

--Blair
"Just stay ignorant."

Words by which you obviously live.

Bill "and succeed" S.