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Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side.
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On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:49:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. What would happen if the handlebar touched the glass? - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2018-08-27 16:20, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:49:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. What would happen if the handlebar touched the glass? Possibly a crack. Since it is curved glass that would cause an expensive repair and loss of service costs while the bus is in the shop. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:43:40 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-08-27 16:20, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:49:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. What would happen if the handlebar touched the glass? Possibly a crack. Since it is curved glass that would cause an expensive repair and loss of service costs while the bus is in the shop. One can only speculate. Generally speaking, if you break someone's window, you get to pay for it, in some manner. |
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On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:49:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. What would happen if the handlebar touched the glass? - Frank Krygowski Simply use an Allen wrench to loosen the stem and turn it so there's no chance of it hitting the window. Cheers |
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On 27-08-18 22:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. Cheers Makes me like even more the Swiss system of having the front wheel hang from a hook. To see some pictures of this search Google images with "postbus velotransport Schweiz". The only negative aspect is that you have to lift the bike quite far up to get it onto the hook. Ned |
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On 2018-08-27 18:13, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:43:40 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 16:20, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:49:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. What would happen if the handlebar touched the glass? Possibly a crack. Since it is curved glass that would cause an expensive repair and loss of service costs while the bus is in the shop. One can only speculate. Generally speaking, if you break someone's window, you get to pay for it, in some manner. Not if the rack was sub-par and caused the event. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 8/27/2018 8:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-27 16:20, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:49:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. What would happen if the handlebar touched the glass? Possibly a crack. Since it is curved glass that would cause an expensive repair and loss of service costs while the bus is in the shop. Don't you think the transit company would notice if that ever happened? You have a BIG tendency to operate on "might have" or "could have" worst case scenarios... .... Or come to think of it, also imaginary best case scenarios, as in "The profit from mountain bikers wanting to get to Placerville would be HUGE!" Those in charge tend to be a bit more realistic, I think. Much to your displeasure! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2018-08-28 10:10, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/27/2018 8:43 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 16:20, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 5:49:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-27 13:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Reading the thread about bus racks being to short for some bicycles got me to thinking about how the bicycle is supported in the rack. When I worked in bicycle shops we called those bicycle parking racks with the two low hoops to hold the wheels "wheel benders" as we often had wheel repairs that were caused by the sideways force on the wheels. I wonder if bus racks have the same problem at times if that front wheel hook is not supporting the bicycle from swaying a bit side to side. The wheel hook is what is supposed to prevent it from swaying. A wheel itself can't. Just imagine: While the racks on our buses are barely wide enough to squeeze in my 2.25" wide rear tire a 25mm road bike tire would make the bike almost fall over, considering that the slot is just around 4" deep. Some people who still run 23mm tires or even less would also risk marring their rims badly when the sides of the rims would bang against the steel tube of the rack rail all the time. You'd likely feel the damage immediately the first time you use the rim brakes. Another detail I noticed: The handlebar end of my MTB was very close to the windshield of the bus. Scary. I watched it on the freeway and while the bike "came closer" it didn't quite touch glass. Despite the panniers. That only worked because I had shortened the handlebar significantly a few months after I bought the MTB. What would happen if the handlebar touched the glass? Possibly a crack. Since it is curved glass that would cause an expensive repair and loss of service costs while the bus is in the shop. Don't you think the transit company would notice if that ever happened? No. Because large MTB don't fit and most bus drivers would not allow what ths one did. He was a cyclist himself. You have a BIG tendency to operate on "might have" or "could have" worst case scenarios... I am an engineer who is trained to spot that stuff. It saves lives. Just one example: I was ridiculed for insisting that a certain med equipment be designed defibrillator-proof, ridiculed just like you keep doing. "But even the standard does not require it!". I said else I will not sign off on the design review and then it will not be built, period. Lots of grumbling but we did it. Then came the day. One of our engineers was witnessing the procedure. A patient unexpectedly went cardiac, the doctor panicked, the nurses shouted to first disconnect the gear, the doctor ignored it, applied the paddles and pushed the button. Our engineer said he almost fainted. Nobody ever questioned again why something needed to be defibrillator-proof when I brought it up. ... Or come to think of it, also imaginary best case scenarios, as in "The profit from mountain bikers wanting to get to Placerville would be HUGE!" Those in charge tend to be a bit more realistic, I think. Much to your displeasure! Why do you think they contacted me, asking for a lot of details and plan to correct this? Maybe they know more than you. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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