Wheel build

On Feb 3, 11:23*pm, Chris Taylor wrote:
Hi Everyone
*I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg
Are velocity hubs as good as Ultegra?
What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better?
Can I drop to 28 spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help
Thanks Chris

Velocity hubs are fine hubs but at 105kg(230 pounds) you need 36 hole
hubs and rims and rims heavier than Velocity razors.

36 h hubs, like Ultegra or Velocity, Velocity Deep V or Fusion, double
butted spokes, laced 3 cross, brass nipples.

Ultegra hubs are loose ball type with the freehub body bolted onto the
hub body, great hubs.

Jay Beattie wrote:

Yes, and you can get a high-spoke count wheel almost perfectly true,
and you can drive yourself crazy doing it. *You also whack your
knuckles. *

48 spoke freestyle wheels (20 inch) are a real nuisance to build.
With some lacing patterns, it gets tough to turn even a Park wrench
around, let alone a wide one like an old Var or DT.

I built some 72 hole Velocity Deep-Vs once upon a time. I chose to
use hex headed nipples rather than run that particular gauntlet.

I used to build a lot of tandem wheels on 48h Super Champ
Mod 58s and had the knuckles to prove it.

The Model 58 is one of those rims that can't really put 48 spokes to
good use. It can probably just make it to 100kgf, but that's pretty
close to its buckling stress. It's much happier with skinny spokes at
a somewhat lower tension.

In the heyday of the Model 58, customary spoke tension was somewhat
lower than what most well-informed wheelbuilders use today. I think
that was largely because of the prevalence of "self-locking"
galvanized spokes, whose stuck nipples mitigated some of the ill
effects of loose spokes.

Chalo

On Feb 4, 3:32*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Feb 3, 11:23*pm, Chris Taylor wrote:

Hi Everyone
*I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg
Are velocity hubs as good as Ultegra?
What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better?
Can I drop to 28 spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help
Thanks Chris

Velocity hubs are fine hubs but at 105kg(230 pounds) you need 36 hole
hubs and rims and rims heavier than Velocity razors.

I think it's debatable. Razors are 30g or so heavier than OPs which I
see Clydes on all the time (not that it's the best idea). With 36
spokes, likely fine. That said, I'd probably side with you and
recommend an Alex R390 instead. Good price, socketed, and strong. If
sticking with Velocity, a deep-V is never a bad choice.

On Feb 4, 5:53*pm, Chris Taylor wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:55:01 -0800, landotter wrote:
On Feb 4, 12:23*am, Chris Taylor wrote:
Hi Everyone
*I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg Are velocity hubs as
good as Ultegra? What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better? Can I drop
to 28 spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help Thanks Chris

The hubs I've seen sold as "Velocity" appear to be Formula (or other
Taiwanese facsimile) with cartridge bearings. They're very functional.
That said, I'd probably go for the Shimano hubs, so that if you trash a
freehub, a replacement is cheap and cheerful to source.

Agree with Chalo, at 105kg, go for 36/32 spokes. The weight penalty is
laughable, especially since you're using fairly light rims and if you
need to replace a rim--spares in those drillings are also easy to find.

Yes Velocity Hubs are Formula. I know nothing about them apart from the
fact that they use Cartridge bearings
Are they as good as Ultegra 6700 hubs
I've been riding Velocity Razor rims 32 count with ultegra 6500 hubs for
10 Years and have never had to do anything to them at all

Formula hubs can be great, I've got a couple sets here with many miles
on them, the cheapie loose ball ones needed new cones after a season,
and the cartridge hubs are fine--but the included bearings aren't that
great--but who knows what Velocity specs in their order?

In Shimano's favor, their stuff is so common that it's a known
quantity. Remember that quality trickles down. The Deores I use on my
utility bike feel like LX/XT from ten years ago, same goes for 105 in
relation to Ultegra--I'd pick the hub with the finish that best
matches your ride.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:55:01 -0800, landotter wrote:

On Feb 4, 12:23Â*am, Chris Taylor wrote:
Hi Everyone
Â*I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg Are velocity hubs as
good as Ultegra? What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better? Can I drop
to 28 spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help Thanks Chris

The hubs I've seen sold as "Velocity" appear to be Formula (or other
Taiwanese facsimile) with cartridge bearings. They're very functional.
That said, I'd probably go for the Shimano hubs, so that if you trash a
freehub, a replacement is cheap and cheerful to source.

Agree with Chalo, at 105kg, go for 36/32 spokes. The weight penalty is
laughable, especially since you're using fairly light rims and if you
need to replace a rim--spares in those drillings are also easy to find.

Yes Velocity Hubs are Formula. I know nothing about them apart from the
fact that they use Cartridge bearings
Are they as good as Ultegra 6700 hubs
I've been riding Velocity Razor rims 32 count with ultegra 6500 hubs for
10 Years and have never had to do anything to them at all

On Feb 4, 9:35*pm, Chalo wrote:
Jay Beattie wrote:

Yes, and you can get a high-spoke count wheel almost perfectly true,
and you can drive yourself crazy doing it. *You also whack your
knuckles. *

48 spoke freestyle wheels (20 inch) are a real nuisance to build.
With some lacing patterns, it gets tough to turn even a Park wrench
around, let alone a wide one like an old Var or DT.

Cyclo mini-key, old stock.


I built some 72 hole Velocity Deep-Vs once upon a time. *I chose to
use hex headed nipples rather than run that particular gauntlet.

I used to build a lot of tandem wheels on 48h Super Champ
Mod 58s and had the knuckles to prove it.

The Model 58 is one of those rims that can't really put 48 spokes to
good use. *It can probably just make it to 100kgf, but that's pretty
close to its buckling stress. *It's much happier with skinny spokes at
a somewhat lower tension.

You're a bloody fool, there is no magic spoke tension except the one
that suits the load for that specific wheel build. You of all people
should know that one size doesn't fit all.

In the heyday of the Model 58, customary spoke tension was somewhat
lower than what most well-informed wheelbuilders use today. *I think
that was largely because of the prevalence of "self-locking"
galvanized spokes, whose stuck nipples mitigated some of the ill
effects of loose spokes.

Yes you are an idiot. The spoke tension used on those wheels that you
see today originating from 1950 to 1990 have survived because they
where built correctly for the rider and conditions. Rougher roads
mean you absolutely cannot use extreme spoke tension, the riders fall
off too much.

my amateur bike mechanic take on the cartridge vs ball and cone hubs-
cone hubs can be more efficient when unworn but only when precisely
adjusted-then the efficiency is greater pleasurably mechanicwise than
cartridge.
but over the hubs lifespan cartridges pull ahead and stay there past
the initial newness of the ball and cone.
I assume, and pleas correctr me if incorrect-cartridge bearings for X
hubs are universally available in 2-3 days from Universal Bearings,
who will prob gouge you but that shouldn,t amount tomuch.

On Feb 4, 1:35*pm, Chalo wrote:
Jay Beattie wrote:

Yes, and you can get a high-spoke count wheel almost perfectly true,
and you can drive yourself crazy doing it. *You also whack your
knuckles. *

48 spoke freestyle wheels (20 inch) are a real nuisance to build.
With some lacing patterns, it gets tough to turn even a Park wrench
around, let alone a wide one like an old Var or DT.

I built some 72 hole Velocity Deep-Vs once upon a time. *I chose to
use hex headed nipples rather than run that particular gauntlet.

I used to build a lot of tandem wheels on 48h Super Champ
Mod 58s and had the knuckles to prove it.

The Model 58 is one of those rims that can't really put 48 spokes to
good use. *It can probably just make it to 100kgf, but that's pretty
close to its buckling stress. *It's much happier with skinny spokes at
a somewhat lower tension.

In the heyday of the Model 58, customary spoke tension was somewhat
lower than what most well-informed wheelbuilders use today. *I think
that was largely because of the prevalence of "self-locking"
galvanized spokes, whose stuck nipples mitigated some of the ill
effects of loose spokes.

Chalo

I used to wind up Mod 58s to pretty high tensions, at least on the 36
spoke wheels, but again, that was back in the 5sp days when wheels did
not have crazy dish. -- Jay Beattie.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:23:17 +1000, Chris Taylor wrote:

Hi Everyone
I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg Are velocity hubs as good
as Ultegra? What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better? Can I drop to 28
spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help Thanks Chris

Here's some common sense comments on wheel building.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/wheels.asp

--
Stephen Bauman

On Feb 5, 2:54*am, Stephen Bauman wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:23:17 +1000, Chris Taylor wrote:
Hi Everyone
*I'm looking for any feedback on Velocity Road hubs I can find!
I'm looking at building a wheelset, At the moment I ride Ultegra Hubs
with Velocity Razor rims 32 Spoke 3X back and 2X front, looking to stay
around the 32 Spoke as I'm a heavy rider 105Kg Are velocity hubs as good
as Ultegra? What hubs are as good as Ultegra or better? Can I drop to 28
spoke rear with out problems? Hoping for some help Thanks Chris

Here's some common sense comments on wheel building.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/wheels.asp

I'm in 99.9% agreement.


--
Stephen Bauman