Lance Armstrong -- Exaggerated Cancer Doper To Make a "Comeback"?

"TJG" wrote in message
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On Sep 9, 8:37 pm, William Asher wrote:

He has had several years to stockpile bags of his own frozen red blood
cells harvested while he was drug free. It just might work with the
right
training program and support staff that can keeps names and codes on
blood
bags straight.

That the thing. Blood has a short self-life. If he stocks a lot, he'll
throw away a lot.

It is looking more and more like you can't keep blood for more than a month.
What's more, we're beginning to see some not so nice side effects from using
older blood.

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Michael Press writes:

Not a good troll. What? We have to comment on every
sorry, wannabee net warrior? Look at the distribution.
You would have to correlate the replies with the group
of origin to tote up the troll score. Just a sad little
puke looking for validation. He got some bites, though.

He's getting a /lot/ of reactions, and that's what
trolling success is apparently about.

Nevertheless I still think Lance deserves a lot of
credit he doesn't get for his work to promote cycling
as well as anti-cancer interests.

AFAIC, he hasn't taken anything from me. He's giving.

I'm sure he could be criticized for his failed
relationships too. A lot of us could.

But instead of resting on his laurels, he still
actively promotes cycling. Heck, the legacy of
his Tour de France presence promotes cycling.
I appreciate that.

No sour grapes here.


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On Sep 9, 1:09*pm, MissSouth wrote:
From what? *HIS CHEATIN' HEART?

Like Brett Favre, giant ego LANCE threatens to come-back, regardless
of Armstrong's now generally accepted chemical-fueled racing
victories.

There should be a law!

A woman scorned is... a lot of women ****ed off. Just ask Obama.

wrote:
On Sep 9, 1:09 pm, MissSouth wrote:
From what? HIS CHEATIN' HEART?

Like Brett Favre, giant ego LANCE threatens to come-back, regardless
of Armstrong's now generally accepted chemical-fueled racing
victories.

There should be a law!

I checked straight at the source, that is, L'Equipe's web-site and
found this funny quote:

Concernant son âge avancé, l'Américain ne semble pas effrayé par ce
paramètre. Il a pris en exemple le cas de sa compatriote, Dara Torres,
qui est sortie de sa retraite des bassins pour décrocher à 41 ans deux
médailles d'argent aux JO de Pékin. «Les sportifs âgés sont très
performants, posez la question à des physiologistes du sport renommés
et ils vous diront que la barrière de l'âge est une légende», a-t-il
assuré.

That is, that older athletes can still be competitive, as for example
Dara Torres, age 41 who got 2 silver medals at Peking. That makes you
wonder whether L'Equipe's cycling reporters actually followed cycling
at the Olympics, because the Gold medal in the Madison was taken by a
43 year old, so you don't even have to look for other sports and other
genders to find examples.

Much to the chagrin of that young whippersnapper, Mark Cavendish.

~bob s.

On Sep 9, 5:37*pm, William Asher wrote:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
Generally-accepted chemical-fueled racing? *That's a bit of a stretch..
But it's almost irrelevant. If Lance does win an 8th TdF victory, he
will have won in both "dirty" and "clean" eras. That's one heck of an
accomplishment, if he can pull it off.

He has had several years to stockpile bags of his own frozen red blood
cells harvested while he was drug free. *It just might work with the right
training program and support staff that can keeps names and codes on blood
bags straight. *

--
Bill Asher

Frozen red blood cells can only be stored for 5 weeks, and the
anticoagulants used in the process are easily detected in testing.

Hank wrote in
:

On Sep 9, 5:37*pm, William Asher wrote:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
Generally-accepted chemical-fueled racing? *That's a bit of a
stretch
.
But it's almost irrelevant. If Lance does win an 8th TdF victory,
he will have won in both "dirty" and "clean" eras. That's one heck
of an accomplishment, if he can pull it off.

He has had several years to stockpile bags of his own frozen red
blood cells harvested while he was drug free. *It just might work
with the ri
ght
training program and support staff that can keeps names and codes on
bloo
d
bags straight. *

--
Bill Asher

Frozen red blood cells can only be stored for 5 weeks, and the
anticoagulants used in the process are easily detected in testing.


Hi Hank!

Check page 374 of Combat Medicine by George C. Tsokos, James L. Atkins
(Humana Press, . They cite a paper by Valeri et al. in Vox Sang from
2000 claiming viable storage for up to 37 years at -80 C. Besides, most
blood banks routinely freeze frare blood types for longer periods. Or at
least that what is claimed on a lot of fairly reputable websites. So, in
short, I think you are quoting the FDA standard, which is 42 days, not
what is really possible.

--
Bill Asher

Hank wrote:
and the
anticoagulants used in the process are easily detected in testing.

Dumbass,

"Hank" wrote in message
...
He has had several years to stockpile bags of his own frozen red blood
cells harvested while he was drug free. It just might work with the
right
training program and support staff that can keeps names and codes on
blood
bags straight.

Frozen red blood cells can only be stored for 5 weeks, and the
anticoagulants used in the process are easily detected in testing.

Shhhhh! You don't want anyone in the "Everyone is Doping" camp to actually
learn anything. What's more, the latest research is showing that red blood
cells don't like being stored for more than a couple of weeks and people
receiving older transfusions can have sudden death syndrome.

I'm sure that all of the Tour riders are willing to stand in line for such a
chance.

Shhhhh! You don't want anyone in the "Everyone is Doping" camp to actually
learn anything. What's more, the latest research is showing that red blood
cells don't like being stored for more than a couple of weeks and people
receiving older transfusions can have sudden death syndrome.

I'm sure that all of the Tour riders are willing to stand in line for such a
chance.

dumbass,

so what was in those 100 bags that the guardia civil seized ?

"Amit Ghosh" wrote in message
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Shhhhh! You don't want anyone in the "Everyone is Doping" camp to
actually
learn anything. What's more, the latest research is showing that red
blood
cells don't like being stored for more than a couple of weeks and people
receiving older transfusions can have sudden death syndrome.

I'm sure that all of the Tour riders are willing to stand in line for
such a
chance.

so what was in those 100 bags that the guardia civil seized ?

They were bags now weren't they? How many people were being transfused? And
if anyone was transfused with the older blood their performance would
probably take a dive despite their "apparent" hematocrit being higher. And
as I pointed out - they're just now realizing that blood much older than two
weeks on the outside doesn't seem to be performing as they thought it would.
Increased numbers of deaths and certainly no significant increases in blood
oxygen DELIVERY to cells. And of course the transfused cells dying rapidly
means that the body is being stressed to get rid of the waste.

This isn't to say that they aren't doing it. But the EFFECTS of these older
transfusions are not what is being presented.

The problem is that too many horse's asses are willing to take a two
sentence wild call from someone ("Increased hematocrit equals increased
performance") as fact without a shred of understanding.