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Recumbents: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull,overpriced
Chalo wrote:
Clive George wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The wheels are universally small and the ride no doubt nasty. That'll be experience speaking, will it? When you've actually tried the ride on one, come back and tell us. I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite my days spent trying to make the best of it. There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. My experience with 20" wheeled trikes suggests that good quality 20 x 2.3" tires at modest pressures can ameliorate most of the ride quality shortcomings of small wheels without exacting too large a penalty in rolling resistance. Unfortunately, trikes suffer an intrinsically bothersome ride that has nothing to do with wheel size. Trikes bump you sideways at least as abruptly as they do vertically or fore-to- aft, because the track width is usually much less than the wheelbase. The higher the trike's seat, the more obtrusive is its sideways thrashing. A long wheelbase makes the trike too easy to flip. Rear suspension make for a better ride than any bicycle in my experience. And that it with 53-406 Maxxis Hookworm tires inflated to more than 7-bar. The lower you are on the trike, the faster you can go round corners. That's an important feature of a high performance machine. Low ride height helps cope with off-camber surfaces, too. Tilting trikes can deal with both cornering forces and cambered surfaces without having to sit unusually low-- but they are expensive, complicated, heavy, and complex to operate. Indeed, I have not ridden a tilting trike with satisfactory high-speed handling. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Recumbents: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull,overpriced
Tom Sherman wrote:
There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. To judge by the number of 'bent models available versus market share taken by 'bents, they are missing essentially the whole thing. Chalo |
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Recumbents: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Chalo wrote: Clive George wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The wheels are universally small and the ride no doubt nasty. That'll be experience speaking, will it? When you've actually tried the ride on one, come back and tell us. I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite my days spent trying to make the best of it. There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla? [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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André Jute: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Chalo wrote: Clive George wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The wheels are universally small and the ride no doubt nasty. That'll be experience speaking, will it? When you've actually tried the ride on one, come back and tell us. I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite my days spent trying to make the best of it. There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla? [...] Chalo has listed his height at about 6'8" or so, and weight ranging from about 320 to 370 pounds. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Edward Dolan wrote:
Tom Sherman Chalo wrote: I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. *The big one had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. *The small one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite my days spent trying to make the best of it. There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla? Gorillas have short enough legs to ride BMX bikes, which works to their advantage. I am forced to be more resourceful than that. I rented a BikeE while I was vacationing in Seattle in early 2001. The reason I rented it was because it was the only rental bike available in Seattle that could be adjusted to fit me. For some reason, Mr. Sherman thinks it was the wrong size for me despite the BikeE thinking it was the right size. I believe it was the right size, but wrong in a more fundamental way. Hence my wife, who's a foot shorter than I am, had no better luck with it than I did. Chalo |
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André Jute: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
Chalo Colina wrote:
Edward Dolan wrote: Tom Sherman Chalo wrote: I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite my days spent trying to make the best of it. There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla? Gorillas have short enough legs to ride BMX bikes, which works to their advantage. I am forced to be more resourceful than that. I rented a BikeE while I was vacationing in Seattle in early 2001. The reason I rented it was because it was the only rental bike available in Seattle that could be adjusted to fit me. For some reason, Mr. Sherman thinks it was the wrong size for me despite the BikeE thinking it was the right size. I believe it was the right size, but wrong in a more fundamental way. Hence my wife, who's a foot shorter than I am, had no better luck with it than I did. If you try to ride a recumbent like an upright it will indeed disagree with you. I always tell new 'bent riders to hold the grips with just their fingertips to prevent over-controlling the bicycle. I found the BikeE a little difficult to ride as a 'bent newbie [1], but then I am bad as picking up new skills that require overall body coordination. With much more 'bent riding experience, I find the single BikeE's very easy to ride. [1] I had great difficulty learning to ride an upright as a child. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Recumbents: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
"Chalo" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: Tom Sherman Chalo wrote: I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite my days spent trying to make the best of it. There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla? Gorillas have short enough legs to ride BMX bikes, which works to their advantage. I am forced to be more resourceful than that. I rented a BikeE while I was vacationing in Seattle in early 2001. The reason I rented it was because it was the only rental bike available in Seattle that could be adjusted to fit me. For some reason, Mr. Sherman thinks it was the wrong size for me despite the BikeE thinking it was the right size. I believe it was the right size, but wrong in a more fundamental way. Hence my wife, who's a foot shorter than I am, had no better luck with it than I did. I hope you were not trying to ride that BikeE up those hills in downtown Seattle. Hell Bells, I had trouble even walking up those hills. Much of downtown Seattle seems to built on the side of a mountain. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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André Jute: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Chalo wrote: Clive George wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The wheels are universally small and the ride no doubt nasty. That'll be experience speaking, will it? When you've actually tried the ride on one, come back and tell us. I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite my days spent trying to make the best of it. There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla? [...] Chalo has listed his height at about 6'8" or so, and weight ranging from about 320 to 370 pounds. Yes, I can see what the problem is. Almost all recumbents have a maximum weight recommendation (many as low as 200 lbs.) and a height of 6'8" means that you will not fit any recumbent except those few sized XL. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Recumbents: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull,overpriced
On Jun 1, 2:08*am, Chalo wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote: There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. To judge by the number of 'bent models available versus market share taken by 'bents, they are missing essentially the whole thing. Chalo Electra made a success of a less extreme version, in part because they gave it the accepted appearance of a (n approximate, in some caes) diamond frame. Andre Jute Charisma is the art of infuriating the undeserving by merely existing elegantly |
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Recumbents: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Jun 1, 2:08 am, Chalo wrote: Tom Sherman wrote: There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers are not missing much of a market. To judge by the number of 'bent models available versus market share taken by 'bents, they are missing essentially the whole thing. Chalo Electra made a success of a less extreme version, in part because they gave it the accepted appearance of a (n approximate, in some caes) diamond frame. Just a couple of jackasses braying at one another! Someone needs to wrap a diamond frame around Andre Jute's stupid head. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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