Today is 20th Anniversary of John Frey's 47:35 40K in Moriarty New Mexico

On 9/4/2010 7:00 PM, Phil H wrote:

Chris Boardman had the previous record at 45'57, which he'd held since
1993. That was on a course without a massive elevation difference,
just a hell of a lot of traffic.

So, does the traffic assist the rider, ie does it go by in the same
direction creating an airflow assist?

If the traffic is close enough, yes, it seems so. I can see it in VE plots.

On Sep 2, 11:25*pm, Scott wrote:
On Sep 2, 11:06*am, Magilla Gorilla wrote:





Anton Berlin wrote:
On Sep 2, 8:52*am, Choppy Warburton wrote:
Like Jesse Owens and Bob Beamon's long jumps - the record still stands
20+ years later.

Congratulations to John.

Frey - Bostick and Carolyn Donnelly all still holding records from
1990

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/records.pdf

All these records could easily have been broken by any of several modern
day pros. *

Magilla

Dumbass,

The reason that the records have never been broken is that shortly
after they were set, the road was resurfaced using chip seal. *What
used to be an incredibly smooth road is now rough and not really
suitable for record breaking efforts. *It's just that simple, the road
is slow now.

And yet, records are still being set there.

I do agree, though, that the surface isn't the fastest around.

Andy Coggan

On Sep 3, 9:07*pm, Fred on a stick
wrote:

the NCNCA TT
course in Sattley, CA just got resurfaced. It's a tad lower (5000 ft)
but the surface is like buttah.

By my calculations, the Sattley course should be 30-60 s faster than
Moriarty, due to the difference in pavement quality.

Andy Coggan

On Sep 2, 6:06*pm, Magilla Gorilla wrote:

You people think like baboons.

Is this a monkey thing?

UD

On Sep 2, 2:52*pm, Choppy Warburton wrote:

Like Jesse Owens and Bob Beamon's long jumps - the record still stands
20+ years later.

Congratulations to John.

Well yeah, but Chris Boardman did 45:57 in 1993 and other (less well
known) riders in the UK have beaten it too. Do you really ride time
trials just straight out, no turns? How wonderfully American, boring
as ****...

UD

On Sep 5, 4:10*pm, Uncle Dave wrote:
On Sep 2, 2:52*pm, Choppy Warburton wrote:

Like Jesse Owens and Bob Beamon's long jumps - the record still stands
20+ years later.

Congratulations to John.

Well yeah, but Chris Boardman did 45:57 in 1993 and other (less well
known) riders in the UK have beaten it too. *Do you really ride time
trials just straight out, no turns? *How wonderfully American, boring
as ****...

UD

4th of July celebrations in the UK suck. It's like you guys don't
even care at all.

On Sep 5, 5:01*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:10*pm, Uncle Dave wrote:

On Sep 2, 2:52*pm, Choppy Warburton wrote:

Like Jesse Owens and Bob Beamon's long jumps - the record still stands
20+ years later.

Congratulations to John.

Well yeah, but Chris Boardman did 45:57 in 1993 and other (less well
known) riders in the UK have beaten it too. *Do you really ride time
trials just straight out, no turns? *How wonderfully American, boring
as ****...

UD

4th of July celebrations in the UK suck. *It's like you guys don't
even care at all.

4th of July celebrations in the UK suck. It's like you guys don't
even care at all.

In the UK, the 4th of July is called Thanksgiving.

Phil H

On Sep 5, 9:06*am, Andy Coggan wrote:
On Sep 2, 11:25*pm, Scott wrote:



On Sep 2, 11:06*am, Magilla Gorilla wrote:

Anton Berlin wrote:
On Sep 2, 8:52*am, Choppy Warburton wrote:
Like Jesse Owens and Bob Beamon's long jumps - the record still stands
20+ years later.

Congratulations to John.

Frey - Bostick and Carolyn Donnelly all still holding records from
1990

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/records.pdf

All these records could easily have been broken by any of several modern
day pros. *

Magilla

Dumbass,

The reason that the records have never been broken is that shortly
after they were set, the road was resurfaced using chip seal. *What
used to be an incredibly smooth road is now rough and not really
suitable for record breaking efforts. *It's just that simple, the road
is slow now.

And yet, records are still being set there.

I do agree, though, that the surface isn't the fastest around.

Andy Coggan

Yeah, but aren't the records being set in categories that have only
just recently been taken seriously, e.g. most of the older masters
categories?

It's not surprising that 50-60 y.o. guys are still setting records,
but until someone breaks the elite records, I'd say the course isn't
as fast as it once was. Frey and Bostick were very good time
trialists in their day, but there a lots of really good TT specialists
out there now. Someone should be able to break the elite record there
if the course is still up to it.

On Sep 5, 10:03*pm, Scott wrote:
On Sep 5, 9:06*am, Andy Coggan wrote:





On Sep 2, 11:25*pm, Scott wrote:

On Sep 2, 11:06*am, Magilla Gorilla wrote:

Anton Berlin wrote:
On Sep 2, 8:52*am, Choppy Warburton wrote:
Like Jesse Owens and Bob Beamon's long jumps - the record still stands
20+ years later.

Congratulations to John.

Frey - Bostick and Carolyn Donnelly all still holding records from
1990

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/records.pdf

All these records could easily have been broken by any of several modern
day pros. *

Magilla

Dumbass,

The reason that the records have never been broken is that shortly
after they were set, the road was resurfaced using chip seal. *What
used to be an incredibly smooth road is now rough and not really
suitable for record breaking efforts. *It's just that simple, the road
is slow now.

And yet, records are still being set there.

I do agree, though, that the surface isn't the fastest around.

Andy Coggan

Yeah, but aren't the records being set in categories that have only
just recently been taken seriously, e.g. most of the older masters
categories?

It's up for debate, but I'd say that, e.g., the tandem records or the
younger masters women's records have been "taken seriously" for quite
some time.

OTOH, I do agree with you that few riders of Frey's or Bostick's
caliber seem to have raced at Moriarty in recent years.

It's not surprising that 50-60 y.o. guys are still setting records,
but until someone breaks the elite records, I'd say the course isn't
as fast as it once was. *Frey and Bostick were very good time
trialists in their day, but there a lots of really good TT specialists
out there now. *Someone should be able to break the elite record there
if the course is still up to it.

If the pavement used to be smoother then yes, the course is slower
than it used to be. OTOH, equipment keeps getting faster, while the
UCI tries to hold things back. Thus, comparing times back then to
times now is always going to be a crapshoot....all that can be said is
that Frey (or whomever) recorded the fastest time to date under the
rules applicable at the time, and for that he/they deserve their 15
min of fame.

Andy Coggan

On Sep 5, 9:13*pm, Andy Coggan wrote:
..all that can be said is
that Frey (or whomever) recorded the fastest time to date under the
rules applicable at the time, and for that he/they deserve their 15
min of fame.

Yes, at best we're talking about racing a bicycle.
Although there are some who, like it or not, have transcended that.
DR