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Old October 13th 04, 03:32 AM
Alan Baker
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Frank Krygowski wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in message
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In article ,
Frank Krygowski wrote:


... I did get a look at the warning
sign for that ramp. The sign is literally the size of a billboard! It
just didn't look like a trick to me!

Perhaps that should tell you something about the affect of all the
improperly posted warning signs that people have encountered that they
should have to make that one so very large...



I believe I've addressed this already - even if you accept the "larger
means they really mean it" premise, it doesn't hold up, as every
tollbooth in the state of PA has similarly sized signs recommending
similar speeds, and are pretty much uniformly ludicrous (i.e. 25 MPH
or 35 MPH 1/2 mile away from a tollbooth, which you can still see
anyway because the road is dead flat and arrow straight.) As an added
bonus, they throw up rumble strips before the signs to make *sure* you
see them.


This is at least partly because a tractor trailer plowed through a toll
booth a few years ago. The toll booth workers _really_ prefer that
drivers come out of their trances. It helps their life expectancy.

And I imagine it's partly because accidents happen when drivers somehow
miss the fact that traffic is actually backed up and stopped at the toll
booths.

Now you may wonder, how on earth could someone drive along and not see a
line of cars, or a tool booth, sitting stationary in the road ahead of
them?

But then, we wonder how someone could misjudge a 25 mph ramp to the
point they have to do a "controlled four wheel drift" [sic] to make it
through!


Because the portion that required 25 mph was out of plain view and
advisory limits are so habitually wrong by a factor of two that there's
no way any reasonable person would trust them.


Road zombies. They need to wake up, and slow down.


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Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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  #462  
Old October 13th 04, 02:13 PM
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In article , Frank Krygowski
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Road zombies. They need to wake up, and slow down.


Or maybe just hang up!

Almost bought it yesterday because of some inatentive drivers yaking on their
cell phones.

I was as far to the right in a bike lane as you can get.

HAND

Yo! Frank! You on sabatical this semester???
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Old October 13th 04, 03:35 PM
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In article , Frank Krygowski wrote:

This is at least partly because a tractor trailer plowed through a toll
booth a few years ago. The toll booth workers _really_ prefer that
drivers come out of their trances. It helps their life expectancy.


See this is the speed kills idiotcy at work. Someone bribes their way to
an IL CDL, starts driving a truck without the proper training, trades it
in for CA CDL, eventually rams a line of cars at toll booth and kills a few
people and what's the answer? Lower the speed limits. Typical dishonesty.
Bringing this up allows for the illustration of the corruption of IL
government, but anything else.

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Old October 14th 04, 04:57 AM
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Nate Nagel Wrote:
...Yeah, I've just accepted the fact that Frank is immune to reason.
There's a difference between a mountain road and an Interstate
highway, but he refuses to acknowledge that.

nate

Funny that Nate...I'm starting to come to the conclusion that you're
the one who seems to an obstacle embedded in your reasoning appartus. A
variation of a cognitive short circuit. Frank's reasoning seems to be
sound and clearly argued to me. I suspect that what you call reasoning
on your part is a feeble attempts to justify your recalcitrant
propensities. That is not reasoning per se but rather a pitiful
pretense. A cant of concocted arguments and wolly confabulations
parading as 'reasoning'.

Oh, and another thing - you seem have plenty of quantity in your
spiels, but alas, quantity is no substitute for substance and quality.
Notice how Frank manages toaddress the point so clearly and directly
and concisely. Now I know that is beyond your capabilities to match
Franks acute ability and clear cognitive vision, and you think that you
can bluster your way through with volume - but hey- you're only fooling
yourself.

It's not so much that you don't know when to quit - but your
unwillingness to recognise the problems underpinning your own position
and you arguments.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Roger


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Old October 14th 04, 06:39 PM
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Mark Jones Wrote:
"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message
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Mark Jones wrote:
Works for me. I hate waiting around for a delivery when I could
be doing something else.


There's _nothing_ to do at your home?

I might even want to go for a bike ride. If I have to wait around
for hours for a delivery to occur, then I am letting them determine
what I can do, instead of me getting to decide.

There is plenty to do around my house, but I do not like being
pinned down by a delivery window that runs for several hours.



Uh rent a Uhaul pickup for 19.99 the five or six times a year that you
might need one. No waiting no wasting.


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Old October 19th 04, 02:54 AM
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AZGuy Wrote:
Well, as long as cops feel it's OK for them to drive WAY faster then
the rest of traffic I'm going to think it's OK for me to (as long as I
can avoid the cops). If it's safe for them, it's safe for me.




Hey yeah, a thread bout inner cities going to bikes, transit, smart
cars and commercial vehicles only! ahhhh para dise.....but no, just
rednecks lol, ahhh the internet, information super highway studded with
roadhouses filled with drunken inbreds.

oh did i quote something? oh well, now we can read about AZguys
adventures as he took the training classes in driving required of law
enforcement and how he decorated his truck to give the impression he's
in a vehicle that draws more attention and observation from the folks
he shares the road with. Didja paint stripes on it or stick scotchlite
all over it or didja go buy an old set of lights to flash if needed?

j/k j/k don't blow a gasket milita man, I drive 90+ on I-10 between
cities too.

but the point of laws regarding safety is just that. If you don't trust
your fellow man to decide for himself if he really needs to observe that
red light then you yourself must stop when you encounter one.


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Old October 19th 04, 05:30 AM
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Attention petrolheads and recalcitrant speedsters (Brent P and Nate
Nagel??)

Heres a news release from downunder that might tickle your fancy - I'm
sure that you'll agree with this...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
14 October 2004

MEDIA RELEASE For immediate use

Cyclists call for lower road speeds

National organisation the Cycling Advocates' Network (CAN) today
supported a review of blanket open road speed limits, but said the
upper speed limit should not be raised from 100 km/h.

CAN also called for speeds in many urban areas to be reduced to 30km/h,
reinforced by traffic calming measures.

CAN spokesperson Robert Ibell said there are good safety and
environmental reasons for lower speeds.

"Raising the open road speed limit would increase fuel consumption and
greenhouse gas emissions. That's the wrong way to go, with climate
change already having an impact on New Zealand." said Mr Ibell.

"Lower speed limits would also help lower the road toll." said Mr
Ibell. "Installing 30km/h zones in urban areas would significantly
reduce the number and severity of crashes for pedestrians and cyclists,
especially amongst children and the elderly."

"Review speed limits by all means," said Mr Ibell, "but review them
downwards."

Ends.

For further information, contact Robert Ibell, CAN, 04-972 2552

Supporting information
- "The probability of death for a pedestrian is five per cent if hit by
a vehicle travelling at 32 km/h, 45% if hit by a vehicle travelling at
48 km/h and 85% if hit by a vehicle travelling at 64 km/h." (Down With
Speed, ACC, 2000, p.27)

- "Child pedestrian and child cyclist accidents fell by 70 and 48 per
cent respectively after the [20mph] schemes were installed, giving an
overall reduction of 67 per cent for all child accidents. The reduction
in accidents for all cyclists was 29 per cent." (Review of traffic
calming schemes in 20 mph zones, TRL, UK, 1996)

- "Encouraging slow drivers to speed up would lead to more crashes and
injuries. Slow drivers could instead be encouraged to pull over at safe
locations if they hold up traffic." (Down With Speed, ACC, 2000, p.23)

- "Fast drivers rather than slow drivers comprise the core safety
problem, and encouraging all speeding drivers to slow down would have
greater benefits for overall road safety than targeting the speed of
slower drivers." (Down With Speed, ACC, 2000, p.23)


The Cycling Advocates' Network of NZ Inc. (CAN) is this country's
national network of cycling advocate groups. It is a voice for all
non-competitive cyclists - recreational, commuter and touring. We work
with central government and local authorities, on behalf of cyclists,
for a better cycling environment. We have affiliated groups and
individual members throughout the country, and links with overseas
cycling organisations. In addition, some national/regional/local
government authorities, transportation consultancies, and cycle
industry businesses are supporting organisations.

--
Robert Ibell
Campaigns & PR Secretary
Cycling Advocates Network of NZ Inc.
PO Box 6491, Auckland, NZ


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  #468  
Old October 19th 04, 10:55 PM
Drew Eckhardt
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In article ,
H. M. Leary wrote:
Road zombies. They need to wake up, and slow down.


Or maybe just hang up!


Driving to work is boring enough with a cell phone. If I regularly commuted
by car I'd need a DVD or book to occupy me.

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