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Old February 6th 09, 09:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:19:40 -0000, "AndyC"
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At 1.10 minute into the video, the car is clearly indicating to change lane
and has already begun to move to the right (although stationary at that
time). If I were driving a car behind, I would *not* continue to overtake it
unless I was certain that the car was not going to move,


Really? Signals are informative, not instructive. I did once get
shouted at be some bloke who pulled out right in front of me as I
was driving along - I had to brake very sharply to avoid him. He
came back and remonstrated with me because he said he had indicated
before pulling away. So yes there are drivers who think that their
indicator gives them the right to conflict with other traffic, but I
believe they are wrong about that.

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Old February 6th 09, 10:04 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:19:40 -0000, "AndyC"
said in
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At 1.10 minute into the video, the car is clearly indicating to change lane
and has already begun to move to the right (although stationary at that
time). If I were driving a car behind, I would *not* continue to overtake it
unless I was certain that the car was not going to move,


Really? Signals are informative, not instructive.


It's all a matter of courtesy and common decency really.

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Old February 6th 09, 10:21 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Matt B" wrote in message
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:19:40 -0000, "AndyC"
said in
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At 1.10 minute into the video, the car is clearly indicating to change
lane and has already begun to move to the right (although stationary at
that time). If I were driving a car behind, I would *not* continue to
overtake it unless I was certain that the car was not going to move,


Really? Signals are informative, not instructive.


It's all a matter of courtesy and common decency really.


Agreed. If a car is signalling to pull out in front of you it is best to let
them go. OTOH if you are waiting to pull out yourself, it is better to wait
until it is safe to do so before performing the manoeuvre.

If the traffic is moving very slowly or stopping and starting and you signal
that you intend to pull out, any half courteous driver will let you out
anyway. If they block you, it just shows their arrogance. Perhaps that's why
Guy was shouted at :-)


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Old February 6th 09, 12:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:55:01 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:19:40 -0000, "AndyC"
said in
:

At 1.10 minute into the video, the car is clearly indicating to change lane
and has already begun to move to the right (although stationary at that
time). If I were driving a car behind, I would *not* continue to overtake it
unless I was certain that the car was not going to move,


Really? Signals are informative, not instructive.



The driver has indicated his intention of pulling out and has already
started doing so, and you have seen him.

Anyone who would not accept this as a sensible instruction to self:

"he is indicating, he is pulling out, I would be a fool to ignore
him" - truly is a ****wit.

But yes - we are talking about Chapman

I wonder did something similar happen to yourself - were you actually
knocked off you bike and suffered a bang to the head.

You really do seem to have some sort of brain damage- or are you just
daft?



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I pointed out the web page
He then quickly changed the web page - but "forgot" to change the date
of last amendment so it looked like the change had been there for
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Old February 6th 09, 01:10 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:21:03 -0000, "AndyC"
said in
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If the traffic is moving very slowly or stopping and starting and you signal
that you intend to pull out, any half courteous driver will let you out
anyway. If they block you, it just shows their arrogance. Perhaps that's why
Guy was shouted at :-)


Unlikely. It was a 40mph limit, I was driving along at 40mph, her
pulled out from a lay-by right in front of me and I only just
managed to avoid hitting him. Had I hit him, there is no doubt at
all that the blame would have been his.

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Old February 6th 09, 01:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Mark Williams wrote:
"AndyC" writes:

I notice on this one:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ

He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake,
but he misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to
change lane. While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if
you do that on two wheels it is suicidal.


No it isn't---I haven't watch the cited video clip but have done what
you describe several times (often after establishing eye contact,
etc.) over the last few decades and I haven't once ended up dead.

It only takes once.
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Old February 6th 09, 08:58 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:21:03 -0000, "AndyC"
said in
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If the traffic is moving very slowly or stopping and starting and you
signal
that you intend to pull out, any half courteous driver will let you out
anyway. If they block you, it just shows their arrogance. Perhaps that's
why
Guy was shouted at :-)


Unlikely. It was a 40mph limit, I was driving along at 40mph, her
pulled out from a lay-by right in front of me and I only just
managed to avoid hitting him. Had I hit him, there is no doubt at
all that the blame would have been his.


I was only teasing :-)


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Old February 7th 09, 03:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Feb 3, 2:43*pm, _ wrote:

Yeah, I read it the first time. I still cant see where you said that the
cyclist had broken the law though. Why wont you admit it - its utterly
clear that his verbal assault amounted to a S5 public order offence. Why
will you ONLY spot offences by car drivers


Ooh, I wonder.

I dont want to be associated with a group which seems to
REVEL in a reputation of being bitter, twisted, jealous 'cage haters'.


And who are two of the most prominent posters in that group? Chapman
and Spindrift of course. Now I wonder why they just happen to be in
the most anti-motorist newsgroup? And I wonder why they support every
anti-motorist measure, and always blame the motorist whenever there's
a reported conflict between a cyclist and a motorist? It's a tough
one....

One day, just maybe, they'll find the intelligence to realise that *no-
one* is falling for the "I'm not anti-motorist" crap, and it just
makes them more, rather than less, despised.
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Old February 7th 09, 03:41 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Feb 3, 3:06*pm, Squashme wrote:
On 3 Feb, 14:43, _ wrote:



Squashmewrote:
On 3 Feb, 14:25, _ wrote:
Squashmewrote:
On 3 Feb, 14:19, _ wrote:
Squashmewrote:
On 3 Feb, 14:02, _ wrote:
Squashmewrote:
On 3 Feb, 13:15, _ wrote:
Squashmewrote:
On 3 Feb, 11:26, JNugent wrote:
JNugent wrote:
AndyC wrote:
"relevant" wrote:
Here is a letter I have sent - perhaps a few more on similar lines
[big snip]
I notice on this one:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ
He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake, but
he misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to
change lane. While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if you
do that on two wheels it is suicidal.
If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating, whether
stationary or not, you do so at your own peril. Rights of way are
meaningless when you are dead.
In his video "Undertaking On A Roundabout", the same poster castigates a
car-driver who passes him on the nearside on a large roundabout. The
roundabout seems to be the one seen in the video referenced in the OP
and the cyclist is way over to the offside, hard up against the island
(incidentally passing over a distinctive hatched-off area).
Perhaps he thinks that it is unlawful to pass on the nearside on a
roundabout (it isn't). And if one really objects to being "undertaken",
perhaps it'd be btter not to hog the offside edge of the one-way stretch
of road which is the carriageway of a large roundabout.
Another of his videos ("White van-driver teaches me a lesson") appears to be
functionally identical to the one involving the private hire car - recorded
over the same route, in the same sort of conditions and almost at the same spot.
Different motor vehicle, different driver, same cyclist.
Anyone spot a pattern here?
Yes, but let's not be too harsh. Not all motorists are like that. Many
are not aggressive and do respect other road-users.
LOL. Get some help with your issues, before you end up under my wheels.
Do you bring your anger problem up at your regular reviews?
And thanks for the warning, I shall avoid cycling in Lincolnshire.
Hey, why not complain? You're good at that! LOL
But no, I dont, because you dont make me angry. You make me laugh. You
seem to have real problems with blinkers, old son. And unless you can
get that sack of spuds off your shoulder, you WILL have a serious
incident. And since you're on 2 wheels and your inevitable opponent will
have four, there's a good chance it'll cost you more than cash. Here's
hoping, eh?
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Would you like the address?
No thanks it's not Relevant.
As you wish. Now, wanna acknowledge the lawbreaking of Magna/you in the
video, while you're feeling so magnanimous?


To quote me earlier:-


"Obviously the vast majority of us do not wish to ride
around with a head-mounted camera, whose last ever shot is likely to
be blue sky and the fading sound of "sorry mate I didn't s..."


Yeah, I read it the first time. I still cant see where you said that the
cyclist had broken the law though. Why wont you admit it - its utterly
clear that his verbal assault amounted to a S5 public order offence. Why
will you ONLY spot offences by car drivers (and thats on the extremely
debatable idea that there WAS any).


This Sunday I'll be doing a charity race in our gravity racer and I've
got some questions about bearings and wheels on it. I daren't ask them
here, because I dont want to be associated with a group which seems to
REVEL in a reputation of being bitter, twisted, jealous 'cage haters'.
Sad, that, innit?


Very sad. You are too full of anger, hate and bile (or as you prefer
to call it, laughter) to post sensible questions to the group, with
which some here could perhaps help. You may not wish to be associated
with URC, but, guess what, here you are. Go on, dare to be a Daniel!


Hello Squashme. Do you admit to being anti-motorist? Do you think
that Spindrift is anti-motorist? Tell the truth now.
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Old February 9th 09, 12:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"JNugent" wrote in message
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DavidR wrote:
"JNugent" wrote

When turning right at a roundabout (ie, doing 270 degrees around it),
using the right-hand side of the carriageway, which I would describe as
the offside, is certainly acceptable - for the first part of the journey
around the roundabout.

Describing a bee-line from the offside edge of the carriageway (next to
the island) only when the exit becomes tangential to that tight circle
around the island is not the correct way to do it.


Wrong, this is the correct way (for motor vehicles). Spiralling wastes
road space and creates a t-bone risk from drivers waitiong to join before
your exit - a very critical point for cycling.


In that case, you'l be able to point out a Highway Code or Road Traffic
Act provision which contradicts what I said.

I'm not holding my breath.


~ The HC shows both spiral and concentric.
~ Do you claim that spiralling does not create a t-bone risk?
~ Do yo claim that spiralling does not waste road space (why would a dual
carriageway be provided if it is intended that it should not be used)?

Oh, and I have yet to find a roundabout that matches the one shown in the
HC. A 4 arm dual cariageway is very rare (maybe there are a few in London -
but London is not the UK). The proportions (width/diameter/vehicle size) are
also rather skewed in the picture. The spiral doesn't look as bad as it
would in practice where the blue car would have less room to keep rolling.

Where roundabouts are cmarked with lane lines (and many are), this is
demonstrated vividly.


They did this in Bracknell for a while about 6 or 7 years ago and
thankfully
changed their minds a few months later. I know a few other authorities
haven't bothered to remove them. Some are acceptable, some I ignore.


Bracknell (for all its merits) is not the United Kingdom.


Perhaps so, but Bracknell is a wealthy region and possibly has enough spare
tax payers' cash to cover their original errors. Or maybe something to do
with the proximity of the TRRL?


 




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