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Old February 8th 09, 01:58 AM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
judith
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:37:38 +0000, Jon North
wrote:

Just been talking to someone about filtering when on a bike.
Is it legal?
I'm pretty sure it is...but in specific circumstances perhaps not?
How would insurance apply in the event of an accident.




I realise that you are referring to a (motor) bike - but the same
discussions are also relevant to the cyclist as well - as the Highway
Code does not differentiate between the two when it mentions
"filtering".

It is of note that there are some ****wits in uk.rec.cycling who hold
that filtering for cyclists is "endorsed" by the HC - when of course
- it isn't.

The term may be used in the Highway Code - this is a long way from
"endorsing" the action.

I would like to know where "filtering" is actually defined: I am
amazed that the HC can refer to the action without there being an
actual legal definition of "filtering" - (I understand that there may
be a definition in a particular manual used by motor cyclists - but is
this an actual "legal" definition of "filtering" - I think not (but
could be wrong)).


Questions I would like to see answered - before there can be a
sensible discussion:

1) What is the definition of "filtering"?

2) Is it different for motor cyclists cf cycles?

3) (As the OP says) - is it legally allowed?



(I have x-posted to urc - as it is relevant to that forum)
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Old February 8th 09, 01:58 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
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In article ,
says...
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:37:38 +0000, Jon North
wrote:

Just been talking to someone about filtering when on a bike.
Is it legal?
I'm pretty sure it is...but in specific circumstances perhaps not?
How would insurance apply in the event of an accident.




I realise that you are referring to a (motor) bike - but the same
discussions are also relevant to the cyclist as well - as the Highway
Code does not differentiate between the two when it mentions
"filtering".

It is of note that there are some ****wits in uk.rec.cycling who hold
that filtering for cyclists is "endorsed" by the HC - when of course
- it isn't.

The term may be used in the Highway Code - this is a long way from
"endorsing" the action.

I would like to know where "filtering" is actually defined: I am
amazed that the HC can refer to the action without there being an
actual legal definition of "filtering" - (I understand that there may
be a definition in a particular manual used by motor cyclists - but is
this an actual "legal" definition of "filtering" - I think not (but
could be wrong)).


Questions I would like to see answered - before there can be a
sensible discussion:

1) What is the definition of "filtering"?

2) Is it different for motor cyclists cf cycles?

3) (As the OP says) - is it legally allowed?



(I have x-posted to urc - as it is relevant to that forum)


I was sitting in a queue of traffic at lights. The car in front was a bit
nearer the kerb than I was, and a cyclist coming up our inside actually had
to *stop* (gasp!) and *push his bike past on foot* (horror!). He then
remounted, looked round in head-shaking disapproval, and continued on his
way.

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Old February 8th 09, 02:29 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Graz
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:58:02 -0000, Halmyre
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:37:38 +0000, Jon North
wrote:

Just been talking to someone about filtering when on a bike.
Is it legal?
I'm pretty sure it is...but in specific circumstances perhaps not?
How would insurance apply in the event of an accident.




I realise that you are referring to a (motor) bike - but the same
discussions are also relevant to the cyclist as well - as the Highway
Code does not differentiate between the two when it mentions
"filtering".

It is of note that there are some ****wits in uk.rec.cycling who hold
that filtering for cyclists is "endorsed" by the HC - when of course
- it isn't.

The term may be used in the Highway Code - this is a long way from
"endorsing" the action.

I would like to know where "filtering" is actually defined: I am
amazed that the HC can refer to the action without there being an
actual legal definition of "filtering" - (I understand that there may
be a definition in a particular manual used by motor cyclists - but is
this an actual "legal" definition of "filtering" - I think not (but
could be wrong)).


Questions I would like to see answered - before there can be a
sensible discussion:

1) What is the definition of "filtering"?

2) Is it different for motor cyclists cf cycles?

3) (As the OP says) - is it legally allowed?



(I have x-posted to urc - as it is relevant to that forum)


I was sitting in a queue of traffic at lights. The car in front was a bit
nearer the kerb than I was, and a cyclist coming up our inside actually had
to *stop* (gasp!) and *push his bike past on foot* (horror!). He then
remounted, looked round in head-shaking disapproval, and continued on his
way.


Through a red traffic light, no doubt.

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Old February 8th 09, 06:16 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Dave Plowman
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In article ,
Halmyre wrote:
I was sitting in a queue of traffic at lights. The car in front was a
bit nearer the kerb than I was, and a cyclist coming up our inside
actually had to *stop* (gasp!) and *push his bike past on foot*
(horror!). He then remounted, looked round in head-shaking disapproval,
and continued on his way.


One of the better ones. Most just mount the pavement and carry on.

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Old February 8th 09, 08:04 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Just zis Guy, you know?[_2_]
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:16:46 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
said in :

I was sitting in a queue of traffic at lights. The car in front was a
bit nearer the kerb than I was, and a cyclist coming up our inside
actually had to *stop* (gasp!) and *push his bike past on foot*
(horror!). He then remounted, looked round in head-shaking disapproval,
and continued on his way.


One of the better ones. Most just mount the pavement and carry on.


Yeah. And car drivers, too - they've had to install bollards to
stop this at one set of lights near me because the pavement was
being pounded to pieces.

Guy
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Old February 8th 09, 08:11 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:04:58 +0000 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
you know?" wrote this:-

Yeah. And car drivers, too - they've had to install bollards to
stop this at one set of lights near me because the pavement was
being pounded to pieces.


You must be lying. We are told that only cyclists use the pavement
and even if motorists do use the pavement this is either because
they are crossing it or after their car has "gone out of control"
and thus the driver is no longer responsible for it.


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Old February 8th 09, 08:24 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Just zis Guy, you know?[_2_]
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:11:11 +0000, David Hansen
said in
:

You must be lying. We are told that only cyclists use the pavement
and even if motorists do use the pavement this is either because
they are crossing it or after their car has "gone out of control"
and thus the driver is no longer responsible for it.


I don't think there's any dispute about irresponsibility here.

Guy
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Old February 8th 09, 10:11 PM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Jon North
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David Hansen wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:04:58 +0000 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
you know?" wrote this:-

Yeah. And car drivers, too - they've had to install bollards to
stop this at one set of lights near me because the pavement was
being pounded to pieces.


You must be lying. We are told that only cyclists use the pavement
and even if motorists do use the pavement this is either because
they are crossing it or after their car has "gone out of control"
and thus the driver is no longer responsible for it.


I've heard that some areas (around schools) contain a breed of motorist
known as the "drive to school in a 4x4 mum". As they seem to all "point
& drive" doesn't surprise me at all that kerbs at corners get demolished
as the rear wheel mounts the kerb.
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Old February 9th 09, 02:48 AM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
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"Halmyre" wrote in message
...

I was sitting in a queue of traffic at lights. The car in front was a bit
nearer the kerb than I was, and a cyclist coming up our inside actually
had
to *stop* (gasp!) and *push his bike past on foot* (horror!). He then
remounted, looked round in head-shaking disapproval, and continued on his
way.


Conversely, I was driving into town on Friday and was part of a stream of
traffic overtaking a cyclist as we (and he) approached a set of traffic
lights. I noticed that the driver of one of the cars behind me pulled right
over to the kerb after passing the cyclist to prevent him from filtering on
the inside while the line of cars were stopped for the lights.

How bitter do you have to be if deliberately obstructing a cyclist makes you
feel better?


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Old February 9th 09, 03:04 AM posted to uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling
Dave Plowman
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In article ,
OG wrote:
Conversely, I was driving into town on Friday and was part of a stream
of traffic overtaking a cyclist as we (and he) approached a set of
traffic lights. I noticed that the driver of one of the cars behind me
pulled right over to the kerb after passing the cyclist to prevent him
from filtering on the inside while the line of cars were stopped for
the lights.


Or could have been making room for them to pass between the two lanes of
cars more easily.

What's really needed is a car which expands sideways at traffic lights.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12

 




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