How much to pay for a cycle helmet?

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:04:29 +0100, Tom Crispin
wrote:

However, I will also advise you that any safety benefit of wearing a
helmet is likely to be marginal, and proper road positioning and
riding a well-maintained bicycle are likely to have a far greater
safety benefit.

Nicely put.

Guy
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:23:36 +0100, Roger Thorpe
wrote:

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This is probably why you thought of me as one of the moderates. I still
don't want to see the Violet Eizabeth persona in the moderated group.


Didums - am I bovvered

and thanks for that - true to form - it spoiled the rest of your
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:42:25 +0000 (UTC), Chris Malcolm
wrote:

Mr. Benn %%@%%.% wrote:
Daniel Barlow wrote in
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"Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% writes:

I have seen several helmets being sold for #20 or less. Does it make
any sense to spend a significant amount of money on a helmet?

More money will get you a lighter better ventilated and more stylish
helmet, not (in general) a safer one.

Are there any safety standards which the helmets have to meet for
them to be on sale in the UK or can anyone make an untested helmet
and then claim that is it suitable for use by cyclists?

EN1078 is the basic standard: as far as I know it's mandatory for sale
in the UK. Snell B-95 is a better standard, but optional. It's said
to be actually quite hard to find Snell-certified helmets on sale.
See

http://www.smf.org/certlist/std_B-90...90C_B-95C.html


I'm not too bothered about style, more about safety and comfort. My bike
lost any style it ever had a long time ago.

Are there any particular brands and suppliers which anyone can recommend?
I'm prepared to pay up to #50 or so.

You could afford to buy a helmet built to a higher standard of head
impact crash protection than a cycle helmet, such as a motorcycle
helmet, but it would be heavier. Do you think the extra safety factor
worth the extra weight?

Do you think that was worth saying?

Another fine example of why the group turned to rat****.

I guess he was looking for serious answers - not responses from
****wits.
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:42:25 +0000 (UTC), Chris Malcolm
wrote:

Mr. Benn %%@%%.% wrote:
Daniel Barlow wrote in
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"Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% writes:

I have seen several helmets being sold for #20 or less. Does it make
any sense to spend a significant amount of money on a helmet?

More money will get you a lighter better ventilated and more stylish
helmet, not (in general) a safer one.

Are there any safety standards which the helmets have to meet for
them to be on sale in the UK or can anyone make an untested helmet
and then claim that is it suitable for use by cyclists?

EN1078 is the basic standard: as far as I know it's mandatory for sale
in the UK. Snell B-95 is a better standard, but optional. It's said
to be actually quite hard to find Snell-certified helmets on sale.
See

http://www.smf.org/certlist/std_B-90...90C_B-95C.html


I'm not too bothered about style, more about safety and comfort. My bike
lost any style it ever had a long time ago.

Are there any particular brands and suppliers which anyone can recommend?
I'm prepared to pay up to #50 or so.

You could afford to buy a helmet built to a higher standard of head
impact crash protection than a cycle helmet, such as a motorcycle
helmet, but it would be heavier. Do you think the extra safety factor
worth the extra weight?

http://sweet.no/snow/#/hardware/helmets_snow/

Wife's just got one, as the Basi course she's just gone on[1] insisted
she have a helmet. I'd go for a Trooper HC in black myself if I had to
- she didn't have the choice, as nearly all the ski shops ran out of
last year's stock and haven't reordered.

Would I use one on the bike? Well, some of them have internal
ventilation, and the ear pads are removable, so exactly how warm it;d
be I'm not sure. But it most definitely offers more protection than a
foam one, being much moer akin to a MC helmet in construction, altbeit
thinner and lighter.

But no, of course I wouldn't. I don't even ski in one.


[1] Two months in Patagonia, but I'm not jealous, much.

On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:37:46 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:14:00 +0100, Daniel Barlow
wrote:

One of the worst things about the crap that judith et al
have put this group through is that it causes people to be much more
ready to jump to "troll" conclusions when they see posts about
hot-button posts from new or unfamiliar names.

True, but "Mr Benn" has been in my kf for some time.

Guy


Have you learnt how to use one then?

(Sorry ............... ? .................... forgot)

You seem to have great trouble with it in the not too distant past.

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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:16:16 +0100, "Colin McKenzie"
wrote:


insult snipped


Colin McKenzie

No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the
population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking.

No it isn't - it is clearly much more dangerous.


DfT Figures 2007
Passenger casualty rates by mode Per billion passenger kilometers:

Killed or seriously injured: Pedal Cyclists : 533 Pedestrians 384

All casualties: Pedal Cyclists : 3739 Pedestrians : 1795

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Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote in
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"Colin McKenzie" considered Sun, 02 Aug 2009
09:16:16 +0100 the perfect time to write:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:19:40 +0100, "Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% writes:

I'm not too bothered about style, more about safety and comfort.

Then get some cycle training.

+1

It'll have far more effect on your safety than any amount of
polystyrene foam.
Go for BikeAbility, if you want to be sure of the standard.


I'm asking about helmets, not training.

Chris Malcolm wrote in
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You could afford to buy a helmet built to a higher standard of head
impact crash protection than a cycle helmet, such as a motorcycle
helmet, but it would be heavier. Do you think the extra safety factor
worth the extra weight?

I don't think so!

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:42:18 -0500, "Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% wrote:

Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote in
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"Colin McKenzie" considered Sun, 02 Aug 2009
09:16:16 +0100 the perfect time to write:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:19:40 +0100, "Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% writes:

I'm not too bothered about style, more about safety and comfort.

Then get some cycle training.

+1

It'll have far more effect on your safety than any amount of
polystyrene foam.
Go for BikeAbility, if you want to be sure of the standard.


I'm asking about helmets, not training.


They were of course wanting to demonstrate why the group is in decline
and why they think they need the moderated group.

Interesting to have a look at the contribution that those two posters
have made over the last year or so.

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"Mr. Benn" %%@%%.% wrote in message
...
I have had my Raleigh road bike for around ten years and during the summer,
I use it once a week and hardly ever during the winter. So far, I haven't
got around to getting a helmet. After some recent road accidents involving
a couple of my colleagues I think it's about time I bought one.

I wouldn't bother, if you have managed for ten years withought one why get
one now?

I have seen several helmets being sold for £20 or less. Does it make any
sense to spend a significant amount of money on a helmet? I realise it's
my head which is at stake but how much is it worth paying? I know that
some will say that considering there isn't much in my head, then it's not
worth spending very much. But I do value my head very much!

True, but I think they are overated, and there have been reports of people
being severely injured whilst wearing one.

Alan