Covid off subject

Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zondag 2 mei 2021 om 18:18:44 UTC+2 schreef :
Again and again I've been trying to explain that something is extremely
wrong with the number of so-called covid-19 deaths whether it be
American deaths of those in India. The very first onset of the flu
pandemic should have been the time at which people were killed directly
from it and not more than a year after.

I cannot give any information about India and deaths aside from some
woman toured the area in which claims were being made of people dying in
the streets and there were no bodies on the streets. She said that the
media was lying. Maybe the Lame Street Media was hiding the bodies from
her. She did say that at this time of year that people do sleep in the
streets because of the heat.

As to our so-called pandemic, as I showed you, less than 2,000 people
were actually killed directly by covid-19 and another 10,000 or so
indirectly - the same people that always die in a flu pandemic.

I have seen people expressing horror that I would be so cavalier with
any deaths. Well, WHAT can I do about the health of someone else that is
laying in a bed in a medical facility and diagnosed as having extreme
circulatory diseased and is expected to die over a year's time? That
these were compressed into 2 months does not change the fact that they
were going to die anyway.

But what bothered me the most was the fact that we were being told that
about 20% above normal deaths were occurring. This made absolutely no
sense at all. As I've mentioned, some $50,000 is being paid by the NIH
for reporting and cleaning up for covid deaths. 600,000 supposed covid
deaths would make that about $30 Billion or more than enough to cheat.

If indeed we had 20% more deaths than normal the streets would be jammed
with funeral processions and they haven't been. Well, you could argue,
they are simply cremating people. But THAT makes no sense either, again
the numbers do not add up.

So simply looking at the funeral business shows pretty much the whole
story, Over the last 3 years the funeral business hasn't made incomes
that even match the inflation rates.

https://brandongaille.com/26-mortuar...cs-and-trends/

So, by all means put on a mask and keep your social distancing up for an
illness that was totally ended the last week of April, 2020.


Tom sometimes I wish you catch COVID 19 so bad the it would shut you up
for a couple of months and kept you off the bike for more than a year
with no taste or smell. This is not nice of course and I would go to
confession if I was religious.

Lou


+1

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:24:30 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2021 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:29:47 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2021 10:54:20 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:30:00 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2021 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

https://brandongaille.com/26-mortuar...cs-and-trends/

The article is dated Apr 29, 2018 (just under the title). Statistics
involving Covid-19 deaths would need to start around Mar 2020.

I also like the logic. It's like measuring the unit volume of the
bicycle industry by counting the number of bicycles that arrive at the
scrap metal recyclers or the municipal dumps.

What's really happening. See anything that looks like funeral?
https://www.google.com/search?q=mass+funeral+covid&tbm=isch
Nice change of subject. For once, try to substantiate your own claims
first. Then, you can present topics which you can discuss solely with
your own defective opinions and fabricated facts.
It never surprises me that you cannot read the actual charts which
show 2019 and 2020.
Where are these "actual" charts? There are 3 graphs and no charts in
the URL that YOU posted:
https://brandongaille.com/26-mortuary-industry-statistics-and-trends/
None of the graphs show anything about death rate.
30% FEWER people are dying form all illnesses in 2021
Amazing. 2021 isn't over yet and you alreay have the mortality
statistics for the entire year? Please show me the mortality rate
data, for the next few months, where it shows a 30% drop in mortality
compared to an unspecified baseline.

so perhaps
you might have some sort of idea where these billions of covid-19
deaths are coming from.

Nope. No clue. This is your conspiracy theory. You can fill in your
own blanks and backup your own claims.
Why do you feel the need to demonstrate pure and unadulterated
ignorance on every subject?
Have you stopped beating your subject yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

I know that you are incapable of thought, but if you cannot understand
the graphs and plots why don't you just go away instead of showing
your willful ignorance?
Which graphs and plots? There's nothing in the URL that *YOU*
originally posted:
https://brandongaille.com/26-mortuary-industry-statistics-and-trends/
Please provide a URL that demonstrates your claim of a 30% drop in
mortality rate compared to an unspecified baseline. It's easy. Just
cut and paste the URL where you claim to have found that information.
It's so much easier than fabricating your own numbers. Who knows, you
might actually be right for the first time.

While you at it, take another look at the photos of the mass burials
and funerals due to Covid-19. Then, please tell me that it's not
happening and that it's just a minor flu:
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+mass+graves&tbm=isch
We're not seeing many mass funerals in the wealthier countries because
we paid the drug companies for the research and expedited delivery of
the vaccines. The poorer countries couldn't do that, so they drop
dead instead:
"Covax: How will Covid vaccines be shared around the world?"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-55795297
How much of the 3rd world needs to die before you get a clue?

I have shown that citation to you several times. If you are incapable of actually reading it I have no intentions of continuing to cite it for you to forget yet again.

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:29:17 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2021 6:03 PM, sms wrote:
On 5/2/2021 10:27 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:

snip

Tom sometimes I wish you catch COVID 19 so bad the it
would shut you up for a couple of months and kept you off
the bike for more than a year with no taste or smell. This
is not nice of course and I would go to confession if I
was religious.

Well of course I don't wish that anyone contract Covid-19,
but it's true that when those that eschew facts and logic
come down with it that if tends to help fix their belief
system.

Trump could have followed the advice of medical experts and
encouraged mask mandates and social distancing, and he could
have ordered sufficient quantities of vaccine early-on, and
lots more people would still be alive. Those individuals
that believe everything that he says would have followed.
The GOP governors would have had cover to make better
decisions.

It's not that some Republicans don't trust the vaccine, it's
that they worship a dope. But even that dope says to get
vaccinated.
A President might suggest but cannot command. Which is good.
we are not France. Nor China.

Governors both did and didn't over various time frames with
zero correlation. See also their economic destruction and
restraint of individual liberty- no clear positive effects
and we have 50 real life examples. Zero correlation.

You've just seen Scharf, John and Beatie denying reality as if they can change the world by saying the opposite.

On Mon, 3 May 2021 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I have shown that citation to you several times. If you are incapable of actually reading it I have no intentions of continuing to cite it for you to forget yet again.

Is it too difficult for you to provide the link again? I'm quite
incapable of finding such a link. In case you've forgotten the topic
of the moment, it's the link that backs up your claim of a 30% drop in
mortality rate compared to an unspecified baseline. Google can't find
it either:
https://www.google.com/search?q=30%25+FEWER+people+are+dying+from+all+ill nesses

Did you look at the photos of the mass burials currently underway in
India and South America? Here's the URL again in case you also can't
find that:
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+mass+graves&tbm=isch
Look at it while you try to rationalize your rubbish that Covid-19 is
not a problem, that there are no excess deaths, and that it's all a
plot by greedy politicians and corporations to deprive you of your
constitutional right to make a fool of yourself.

Also, I have bad news for you. I apparently survived the side effects
of the second Pfizer vaccination shot and will be around to provide
you with the attention you seem to crave.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:40:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Mon, 3 May 2021 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I have shown that citation to you several times. If you are incapable of actually reading it I have no intentions of continuing to cite it for you to forget yet again.
Is it too difficult for you to provide the link again? I'm quite
incapable of finding such a link. In case you've forgotten the topic
of the moment, it's the link that backs up your claim of a 30% drop in
mortality rate compared to an unspecified baseline. Google can't find
it either:
https://www.google.com/search?q=30%25+FEWER+people+are+dying+from+all+ill nesses

Did you look at the photos of the mass burials currently underway in
India and South America? Here's the URL again in case you also can't
find that:
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+mass+graves&tbm=isch
Look at it while you try to rationalize your rubbish that Covid-19 is
not a problem, that there are no excess deaths, and that it's all a
plot by greedy politicians and corporations to deprive you of your
constitutional right to make a fool of yourself.

Also, I have bad news for you. I apparently survived the side effects
of the second Pfizer vaccination shot and will be around to provide
you with the attention you seem to crave.

We know that you are completely incapable of anything. You are too dumb to know that the "baseline" is the normal 2.8 million deaths in the USA each year which has been the case for a decade. Your brains are completely gone and since it would require the ability to think and manipulate the CDC site to discover the 30% drop in deaths for the year I guess that you can simply believe whatever you want to believe such as that there is no baseline of that it is made up.

After your pal Biden has told us that we have had 600,000+ additional total deaths in 2020, your response to the fact that the mortuary business not even keeping up with inflation was that the article was dated 2018 despite the fact that the factual tables were through 2020. Let's face it, you are simply incapable of understanding all of this complicated stuff. You want to be scared to death and shivering with fear so that you can bow down before your masters, the Democrats. So go right ahead, I couldn't care less.

From your postings I am of the mind that you are have a rapidly growing dementia. You've already told us that you cannot ride a bike. That you were an analog engineer but cannot understand electronics. I have no problems designing radio links for PG&E and the water company. I had no problems working with NASA which is normally far more paperwork that design ability.

So simply go away Jeff, I won't answer your ignorance anymore.

On Mon, 3 May 2021 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:40:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Mon, 3 May 2021 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I have shown that citation to you several times. If you are incapable of actually reading it I have no intentions of continuing to cite it for you to forget yet again.
Is it too difficult for you to provide the link again? I'm quite
incapable of finding such a link. In case you've forgotten the topic
of the moment, it's the link that backs up your claim of a 30% drop in
mortality rate compared to an unspecified baseline. Google can't find
it either:
https://www.google.com/search?q=30%25+FEWER+people+are+dying+from+all+ill nesses

Did you look at the photos of the mass burials currently underway in
India and South America? Here's the URL again in case you also can't
find that:
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+mass+graves&tbm=isch
Look at it while you try to rationalize your rubbish that Covid-19 is
not a problem, that there are no excess deaths, and that it's all a
plot by greedy politicians and corporations to deprive you of your
constitutional right to make a fool of yourself.

Also, I have bad news for you. I apparently survived the side effects
of the second Pfizer vaccination shot and will be around to provide
you with the attention you seem to crave.

We know that you are completely incapable of anything.

Who is "we"? Are there more than one of you?

You are too dumb to know that the "baseline" is the normal 2.8 million
deaths in the USA each year which has been the case for a decade.

Correct. 2,854,838 deaths in 2019. However, the usual method that is
specified is by deaths per 100,000 population, which changes as the US
population change. The age adjusted mortality rate was:
2018 723.6/100,000
2019 715.2/100,000
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/images/databriefs/351-400/db395-fig2.png
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db395.htm

However, by "baseline" I meant that the your 30% decrease requires a
basis for comparison. 30% drop in mortality compared to what year?
Over what time period? For what age group or age adjusted? That's
like the food advertisements that offer "50% more" in the package.
More than what?

I won't bother asking you again to specify your information source.
It's a futile effort and is unlikely to ever succeed as long as you
continue to fabricate numbers for your convenience and manufacture
lies on a grand scale.

Your brains are completely gone and since it would require the
ability to think and manipulate the CDC site to discover the 30% drop
in deaths for the year I guess that you can simply believe whatever
you want to believe such as that there is no baseline of that it is
made up.

Show me the CDC link and cite where it says 30% drop.

From your postings I am of the mind that you are have a rapidly
growing dementia. You've already told us that you cannot ride a bike.
That you were an analog engineer but cannot understand electronics.
I have no problems designing radio links for PG&E and the water company.

Amazing. I was designing radios for Granger Assoc where the main
customer was PG&E. Oddly, I hadn't seen your name mentioned in the
RADAC project as a "designer":
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/Granger%20Assoc/Granger%20RADAC%206710/
It's bad enough that you have to contrive new talents to bolster your
limited credibility, but must you borrow mine? Or, do you want to
become like me? Are you perhaps jealous? What a horrible thought.

I had no problems working with NASA which is normally far more
paperwork that design ability.

Be sure to add NASA to your online resume:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/
Be sure to add your alleged employment at Analog Devices, Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory,
and the various un-named companies where you gained your vast
managerial and technical experience.

So simply go away Jeff, I won't answer your ignorance anymore.

That's not a major loss, since you usually change the topic, avoid my
questions, fail to provide references, add an unhealthy dose of
politics. You've been acting like this for at least 15 years. For
example:
https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/oKoXRwKO/tom-kunich-is-a-ass
Yes, I think it's time for you to stop.



--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 3 May 2021 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:29:17 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2021 6:03 PM, sms wrote:
On 5/2/2021 10:27 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:

snip

Tom sometimes I wish you catch COVID 19 so bad the it
would shut you up for a couple of months and kept you off
the bike for more than a year with no taste or smell. This
is not nice of course and I would go to confession if I
was religious.

Well of course I don't wish that anyone contract Covid-19,
but it's true that when those that eschew facts and logic
come down with it that if tends to help fix their belief
system.

Trump could have followed the advice of medical experts and
encouraged mask mandates and social distancing, and he could
have ordered sufficient quantities of vaccine early-on, and
lots more people would still be alive. Those individuals
that believe everything that he says would have followed.
The GOP governors would have had cover to make better
decisions.

It's not that some Republicans don't trust the vaccine, it's
that they worship a dope. But even that dope says to get
vaccinated.
A President might suggest but cannot command. Which is good.
we are not France. Nor China.

Governors both did and didn't over various time frames with
zero correlation. See also their economic destruction and
restraint of individual liberty- no clear positive effects
and we have 50 real life examples. Zero correlation.

You've just seen Scharf, John and Beatie denying reality as if they can change the world by saying the opposite.

Denying reality? You mean because the U.S. has a more Covid cases than
any country in the world, as of this morning just about 10% of the
U.S. population has caught the disease. actually 9.9878%. Or that
total deaths due to the disease is higher then any other country in
the world.

And remember... the bulk of the Covid sufferers caught the disease
under the gallant leadership of the Great God Donald.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 4:05:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 3 May 2021 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:29:17 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2021 6:03 PM, sms wrote:
On 5/2/2021 10:27 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:

snip

Tom sometimes I wish you catch COVID 19 so bad the it
would shut you up for a couple of months and kept you off
the bike for more than a year with no taste or smell. This
is not nice of course and I would go to confession if I
was religious.

Well of course I don't wish that anyone contract Covid-19,
but it's true that when those that eschew facts and logic
come down with it that if tends to help fix their belief
system.

Trump could have followed the advice of medical experts and
encouraged mask mandates and social distancing, and he could
have ordered sufficient quantities of vaccine early-on, and
lots more people would still be alive. Those individuals
that believe everything that he says would have followed.
The GOP governors would have had cover to make better
decisions.

It's not that some Republicans don't trust the vaccine, it's
that they worship a dope. But even that dope says to get
vaccinated.
A President might suggest but cannot command. Which is good.
we are not France. Nor China.

Governors both did and didn't over various time frames with
zero correlation. See also their economic destruction and
restraint of individual liberty- no clear positive effects
and we have 50 real life examples. Zero correlation.

You've just seen Scharf, John and Beatie denying reality as if they can change the world by saying the opposite.
Denying reality? You mean because the U.S. has a more Covid cases than
any country in the world, as of this morning just about 10% of the
U.S. population has caught the disease. actually 9.9878%. Or that
total deaths due to the disease is higher then any other country in
the world.

And remember... the bulk of the Covid sufferers caught the disease
under the gallant leadership of the Great God Donald.

I've shown you that less than 15,000 Americans dies directly or indirectly from covis-19. You are perfectly welcome to believe anything you like. As for 600,000+ covid deaths? I've shown you that funeral homes didn't even make enough money to meet inflation over the last 4 years. But again, reality if something you and your best butt buddy Jeff don't have any connection with. All those positive cases? Again I told you that I designed the tools to perform PCR testing with and that they cannot diagnose anything beyond the presence of a corona virus of some sort. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3IqZjT_9A

On Mon, 3 May 2021 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:40:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Mon, 3 May 2021 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I have shown that citation to you several times. If you are incapable of actually reading it I have no intentions of continuing to cite it for you to forget yet again.
Is it too difficult for you to provide the link again? I'm quite
incapable of finding such a link. In case you've forgotten the topic
of the moment, it's the link that backs up your claim of a 30% drop in
mortality rate compared to an unspecified baseline. Google can't find
it either:
https://www.google.com/search?q=30%25+FEWER+people+are+dying+from+all+ill nesses

Did you look at the photos of the mass burials currently underway in
India and South America? Here's the URL again in case you also can't
find that:
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+mass+graves&tbm=isch
Look at it while you try to rationalize your rubbish that Covid-19 is
not a problem, that there are no excess deaths, and that it's all a
plot by greedy politicians and corporations to deprive you of your
constitutional right to make a fool of yourself.

Also, I have bad news for you. I apparently survived the side effects
of the second Pfizer vaccination shot and will be around to provide
you with the attention you seem to crave.

We know that you are completely incapable of anything. You are too dumb to know that the "baseline" is the normal 2.8 million deaths in the USA each year which has been the case for a decade. Your brains are completely gone and since it would require the ability to think and manipulate the CDC site to discover the 30% drop in deaths for the year I guess that you can simply believe whatever you want to believe such as that there is no baseline of that it is made up.

After your pal Biden has told us that we have had 600,000+ additional total deaths in 2020, your response to the fact that the mortuary business not even keeping up with inflation was that the article was dated 2018 despite the fact that the factual tables were through 2020. Let's face it, you are simply incapable of understanding all of this complicated stuff. You want to be scared to death and shivering with fear so that you can bow down before your masters, the Democrats. So go right ahead, I couldn't care less.

From your postings I am of the mind that you are have a rapidly growing dementia. You've already told us that you cannot ride a bike. That you were an analog engineer but cannot understand electronics. I have no problems designing radio links for PG&E and the water company. I had no problems working with NASA which is normally far more paperwork that design ability.

So simply go away Jeff, I won't answer your ignorance anymore.

Hmmm.... base line? Yup. and of course that makes the numbers lost in
combat look like a very minor matter. After all the losses in Vietnam
only averaged a bit over 4,000 a year which viewed in the light of he
several million "normal" deaths annually in the U.S. latest figures
would show that Vietnam deaths amounted to some 0.16%. A mere nothing.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/3/2021 7:20 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 3 May 2021 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:40:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Mon, 3 May 2021 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I have shown that citation to you several times. If you are incapable of actually reading it I have no intentions of continuing to cite it for you to forget yet again.
Is it too difficult for you to provide the link again? I'm quite
incapable of finding such a link. In case you've forgotten the topic
of the moment, it's the link that backs up your claim of a 30% drop in
mortality rate compared to an unspecified baseline. Google can't find
it either:
https://www.google.com/search?q=30%25+FEWER+people+are+dying+from+all+ill nesses

Did you look at the photos of the mass burials currently underway in
India and South America? Here's the URL again in case you also can't
find that:
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+mass+graves&tbm=isch
Look at it while you try to rationalize your rubbish that Covid-19 is
not a problem, that there are no excess deaths, and that it's all a
plot by greedy politicians and corporations to deprive you of your
constitutional right to make a fool of yourself.

Also, I have bad news for you. I apparently survived the side effects
of the second Pfizer vaccination shot and will be around to provide
you with the attention you seem to crave.

We know that you are completely incapable of anything. You are too dumb to know that the "baseline" is the normal 2.8 million deaths in the USA each year which has been the case for a decade. Your brains are completely gone and since it would require the ability to think and manipulate the CDC site to discover the 30% drop in deaths for the year I guess that you can simply believe whatever you want to believe such as that there is no baseline of that it is made up.

After your pal Biden has told us that we have had 600,000+ additional total deaths in 2020, your response to the fact that the mortuary business not even keeping up with inflation was that the article was dated 2018 despite the fact that the factual tables were through 2020. Let's face it, you are simply incapable of understanding all of this complicated stuff. You want to be scared to death and shivering with fear so that you can bow down before your masters, the Democrats. So go right ahead, I couldn't care less.

From your postings I am of the mind that you are have a rapidly growing dementia. You've already told us that you cannot ride a bike. That you were an analog engineer but cannot understand electronics. I have no problems designing radio links for PG&E and the water company. I had no problems working with NASA which is normally far more paperwork that design ability.

So simply go away Jeff, I won't answer your ignorance anymore.

Hmmm.... base line? Yup. and of course that makes the numbers lost in
combat look like a very minor matter. After all the losses in Vietnam
only averaged a bit over 4,000 a year which viewed in the light of he
several million "normal" deaths annually in the U.S. latest figures
would show that Vietnam deaths amounted to some 0.16%. A mere nothing.


'One death is tragic but a million deaths is a statistic.'

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971