Fear of cycling

On Mar 14, 7:48*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 3/14/2011 2:21 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
Stop the Bull**** Campaign wrote:



On Mar 14, 11:11 am, *wrote:
Per His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the
Bull**** Campaign:

Well, they may have been designed for the car, making pedestrians and
cyclists an "accident" in the design.

Never thought of that - good catch - and it makes sense.

Around here, the local government just made a big deal out of
putting in a bunch of sidewalks.

But the curb cuts for handicapped access are something else.

You'll get an intersection where the sidewalk goes left and right
and there will be a cut to the left, a cut to the right, and 18"
of full-height curb in-between - just waiting for some poor fool
to trip on it at night. *(rather than a continuous apron).

My guess is that it's an artifact of CAD design and lazy
designers. *They drag/drop a curb cut here, another one there -
but with no thought about the actual usability of the result.

Well, they never figured the cyclists to be riding sidewalks. That and
many more dangers make riding on sidewalks a false solution. There's
this sidewalk and a big gaping hole is waiting for an unsuspecting
cyclist.

Once I fell on a crack and only my Electra with a low seat saved me
from a sure broken bone. But even my local mixed path is more
dangerous than that. Once I went over a car bump right at the entrance
to it without falling (I was riding a big bike), and now they have
placed big blocks to keep cars out but they also make you squeeze and
possibly fall if you hit them with a pedal. Stupid design is more the
norm in the universe.

Designers don't ride their design. Despite their expertise, even a
person with common sense can do it better.

This is your best post so far.

Really? Time to call my biographers.

On Mar 14, 8:34*pm, Dan O wrote:
On Mar 14, 5:55 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
Stop the Bull**** Campaign" wrote:



On Mar 13, 10:25 pm, Dan O wrote:

On Mar 13, 7:06 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
Stop the Bull**** Campaign" wrote:

On Mar 13, 2:50 pm, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the
Bull**** Campaign:

"the amount of cycling in the UK has fallen dramatically and more or
less continuously over the last half century; it accounted for 37 per
cent of all journeys in 1949, but accounts for only around one per
cent today"

My sources tell me that the UK is the second fattest nation...

Dunno from the fat index, but when I was there some years back
for a family reunion (near Wells); the little riding I was able
to do on a borrowed 3-speed left me thankful for the riding
conditions here on the third-world roads of Southeastern
Pennsylvania.

Where there are paths/trails, it's OK- but the roads where
traffic moves at speeds over 25 mph, *I saw had no shoulders, no
ghost lines. * Not to mention all those people driving on the
wrong side of the road.... -)
--
PeteCresswell

Not to mention we have the best sidewalks to ride bikes in the world
here in America. Those ramps for the handicap came in real handy.

... and nobody is ever walking on most of it.

Are they scared of cyclists?

They worship the car culture.

Who, the pedestrians? They know the pecking order, but sometimes get
rebellious against cyclists on sidewalk.

Not that they don't have the right to stand up to cyclists.

On Mar 14, 8:48*pm, Simon Lewis wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° " writes:



On 3/14/2011 7:12 PM, Simon Lewis wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ " *writes:

On 3/14/2011 2:21 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the
Bull**** Campaign wrote:

Designers don't ride their design. Despite their expertise, even a
person with common sense can do it better.

This is your best post so far.

Its total nonsense.

A total over generalisation based on nothing more than rabid inability
to except others might know more than you or, and god forbid, disagree
with your paranoid ranting.

Are you a member of the Know-Nothing Party?

So you agree that all designers dont ride or test their designs?

You're an idiot if you do.

I want to know the designer of my closest bike facility, give him a
list of flaws and tell him, "Sir, you are an idiot!"

(I assure you he does NOT ride the facility. Maybe he walks a dog
there)

On Mar 14, 8:51*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 3/14/2011 7:48 PM, Simon Lewis wrote:



Tºm Shermªn™ " *writes:

On 3/14/2011 7:12 PM, Simon Lewis wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ " * writes:

On 3/14/2011 2:21 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the
Bull**** Campaign wrote:

Designers don't ride their design. Despite their expertise, even a
person with common sense can do it better.

This is your best post so far.

Its total nonsense.

A total over generalisation based on nothing more than rabid inability
to except others might know more than you or, and god forbid, disagree
with your paranoid ranting.

Are you a member of the Know-Nothing Party?

So you agree that all designers dont ride or test their designs?

You're an idiot if you do.

I have been professionally involved in infrastructure design and
construction work for over a decade, and have *never* encountered a
transportation facility being built as a prototype and tested, then
constructed for use. *The reasons for this are bloody obvious to anyone
involved.

These facilities are rarely designed for proper use, except perhaps
for money to exchange hands and create jobs.

On Mar 14, 8:54*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 3/14/2011 7:50 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:



"Simon *wrote in message
...
T m Sherm nT _ " *writes:

On 3/14/2011 2:21 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
Stop the
Bull**** Campaign wrote:

Designers don't ride their design. Despite their expertise, even a
person with common sense can do it better.

This is your best post so far.

Its [It's] total nonsense.

A total over generalization based on nothing more than rabid inability
to except [accept] others might know more than you or, and god forbid,
disagree
with your paranoid ranting.

Tom Sherman is a liberal-socialist-communist ideologue. Once you know that,
you know everything you will ever have to know about him.

I also happen to be professionally involved with infrastructure design
and construction work in the real world. *But maybe we should leave

Ex librarians have tons of information. They were really useful before
Google.

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
message ...
On 3/14/2011 7:50 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Tom Sherman is a liberal-socialist-communist ideologue. Once you know
that,
you know everything you will ever have to know about him.

I also happen to be professionally involved with infrastructure design and
construction work in the real world. But maybe we should leave facility
design up to disgruntled ex-librarians?

Stop being a liberal-socialist-communist ideologue and maybe we will listen
to you on other subjects. Einstein was a genius on theoretical physics and a
moron on most other subjects. Hells Bells, he did not even know how to make
a good marriage. I mean just how stupid can you get!

If you are designing anything in the real world, hang in there. Most
everyone else are idiots and cannot even design their own lives.

By the way, I am not just a disgruntled former librarian, but rather
disgruntled about everything under the sun. Take your optimism and shove it!
Everything is fallen down!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bull****
Campaign" wrote in message
...
[...]
Ex librarians have tons of information. They were really useful before
Google.

Every now and then I think TM is a genius almost on my level. He is quite
right about how librarians have been made obsolete by the Internet and
Google. But is not that the history of all professions.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 3/14/2011 8:39 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in
message ...
On 3/14/2011 7:50 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Tom Sherman is a liberal-socialist-communist ideologue. Once you know
that,
you know everything you will ever have to know about him.

I also happen to be professionally involved with infrastructure design and
construction work in the real world. But maybe we should leave facility
design up to disgruntled ex-librarians?

Stop being a liberal-socialist-communist ideologue and maybe we will listen
to you on other subjects. Einstein was a genius on theoretical physics and a
moron on most other subjects. Hells Bells, he did not even know how to make
a good marriage. I mean just how stupid can you get!

And practical physics also. A very common misconception is that
Einstein won the Nobel Prize for his Theory of Relativity, when of
course [1] he was awarded it for his paper on the photoelectric effect,
"On a Heuristic Viewpoint Concerning the Production and Transformation
of Light".

If you are designing anything in the real world, hang in there. Most
everyone else are idiots and cannot even design their own lives.

By the way, I am not just a disgruntled former librarian, but rather
disgruntled about everything under the sun. Take your optimism and shove it!
Everything is fallen down!

Indeed.

[1] "Off course" for Gene.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
message ...
On 3/14/2011 8:39 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T?m Sherm?nT " wrote in
message ...
On 3/14/2011 7:50 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Tom Sherman is a liberal-socialist-communist ideologue. Once you know
that,
you know everything you will ever have to know about him.

I also happen to be professionally involved with infrastructure design
and
construction work in the real world. But maybe we should leave facility
design up to disgruntled ex-librarians?

Stop being a liberal-socialist-communist ideologue and maybe we will
listen
to you on other subjects. Einstein was a genius on theoretical physics
and a
moron on most other subjects. Hells Bells, he did not even know how to
make
a good marriage. I mean just how stupid can you get!

And practical physics also. A very common misconception is that Einstein
won the Nobel Prize for his Theory of Relativity, when of course [1] he
was awarded it for his paper on the photoelectric effect, "On a Heuristic
Viewpoint Concerning the Production and Transformation of Light".

Einstein spent a few years in the patent office in Switzerland where he
learned how to think about things. There is nothing like applying your mind
to practical applications to sharpen it. I suspect that is also true of
civil engineers like Tom Sherman.

Alas, I have avoided applications all of my life. I prefer to dwell in the
world of abstractions. It is what comes of living in a dream world of the
fine arts (Beethoven, etc.). I have at least have not made a nuisance of
myself (except here on these newsgroups of course).

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Per Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ":
I have been professionally involved in infrastructure design and
construction work for over a decade, and have *never* encountered a
transportation facility being built as a prototype and tested, then
constructed for use. The reasons for this are bloody obvious to anyone
involved.

Am I the only one, or is there a recognized (albeit unheeded)
argument that when a building or building complex is constructed,
no sidewalks should be put in.

Instead, everything gets turfed and they wait six months or a
year to see where the footpaths appear - and then pave same -
probably saving some money as well as winding up with footpaths
that are relevant.

--
PeteCresswell