What Motorist Advocacy Does For Cycling

Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:

Yes, many USians still falsely believe the Conquest of Iraq was about
spreading democracy and protecting the world for weapons of mass
destruction.

I imagine the WOMD to be without a home, should the world not be
protected for them.


JS.

On 3/15/2011 6:52 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/14/2011 8:31 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/14/2011 7:16 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/13/2011 9:21 PM, Phil W Lee wrote:
Peter considered Sun, 13 Mar 2011
18:18:26 -0400 the perfect time to write:

On 3/13/2011 2:08 PM, Dan O wrote:
On Mar 13, 10:43 am, Duane wrote:
On 3/11/2011 8:00 PM, T m Sherm n _ wrote:

On 3/11/2011 3:14 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:

Installing bicycle lanes leads to their mandatory usage, de
facto or
legally enforced.

I haven't seen this but I'll take your word for it. In that case, we
should fight against mandatory usage of bike lane laws.

Well, it's a tough sell to the non-cycling majority who would
probably
just scowl about wanting to have our cake and eat it to - at their
expense, of course.

The law here requiring use of available bike lane includes a
number of
exceptions - including one for avoiding debris, which seems to be a
blanket exception leaving it totally at my discretion since *every*
bike lane collects debris. However...

One morning after the snow and ice hit us, and the roads had been
heavily "sanded", I was riding in on a four-lane + bike lanes road.
All the "sand" and other debris had been pushed over to the bike
lane,
the entire width of which was a good half-inch deep with black, wet
muck. The stripe was even covered. So I was bout a foot or so out
into the right traffic lane. A big truck came up ehind me and
honked. His left lane was empty. I proceeded straight on, as far
right as practicable. He honked again, so I turned my head and waved
him around. He continued to follow, but closed in and honked some
more. Eventually the stripe sort of emerged from the much, so I
drifted right over the stripe, riding *very* cautiously in the muck.
He buzzed past - hinking some more.

This is what Tom meant by defacto requirement - motorists *expect* us
to use the bike lane, are clueless to the issues that the exceptions
in law at least provide for, and will agressively act out their
hostility to try and force us into them.

So flip him off& keep riding.

What do you do when they pull up alongside and then deliberately
change lanes into the side of you, to FORCE you into the bike lane?

I'll let you know when that happens, if ever.

I have had cagers pull up beside me, then swerve to the right while
yelling at me to get on the (defective) bike path.


Not in Iowa, I hope!

Champaign-Urbana.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On 3/15/2011 8:45 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
Stop the Bull**** Campaign wrote:
On Mar 15, 9:00 am, Duane wrote:
On 3/14/2011 8:32 PM, T m Sherm n _ wrote:



On 3/14/2011 8:14 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
On 3/13/2011 10:11 PM, T m Sherm n _ wrote:
On 3/13/2011 8:59 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:
[...]
Don't get me wrong. I don't want bike lanes or paths everywhere. Only
where they can be useful. Mostly on busy roads in congested cities.
Apparently this attitude is untenable to some.Shrug

snip

How about a wider than normal inner lane with a lower speed limit?

Sure. Not sure when that would happen though.

Makes more sense to lobby for, than for separate and unequal facilities.

Bike lanes are unequal. They give me the same right to use as a regular
lane gives a motorist and additionally prevent the motorist from access.
I like the idea.
I agree that they are necessary on many roads or that they could work
to bring people out, but first we solve the mystery of why they
disappear into thin air...

They go for a short distance, then you are on own your own in enemy
territory. Are the designers reckless or stupid? I guess there's a
difference b/ the two terms: reckless is when they don't care because
they don't ride it. Is someone trying to score points by counting the
miles of bike lanes in a given city?[...]

Hot dog, we have a wiener.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in
message ...
On 3/15/2011 8:34 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per AMuzi:
And the Persians/Iranians haven't made amends for sacking
Athens (just before coming in 2d at Salamis).

Then there were a series of raids by the various Mayan
kings, enslaving and/or sacrificing the survivors in the
1200s to 1400s. No apologies there either.

Yeah, but

- The rape of Nanking happened within the lifetime of some people
still living today

As did the Conquest of Iraq. In fact, the invaders are still in Iraq.

Not invaders, but liberators - you dumb asshole!

- Japan still has war memorials eulogizing some of the
perpetrators

The Japs were little better than savages. **** 'em!

George Tenet, Norman Podhoretz, and Paul Bremer have the Presidential
Medal of Freedom.

And rightly so! What have the god damn liberal Dems ever done to free
anyone?

- There is a significant level of denial at the national
level.

Yes, many USians still falsely believe the Conquest of Iraq was about
spreading democracy and protecting the world for weapons of mass
destruction.

That is exactly what it was about - you dumb asshole!

It wouldn't get us anything - but it would get Japan as a
nation/people enhanced credibility.

Same with the US.

Comparing the US to Japan is like comparing Sherman to Stalin. Hey, maybe
that is not so far fetched after all!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 3/15/2011 11:37 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
[...]
You should never have a sense of security on the road, whether in a car
or on a bike. You should drive or ride defensively.[...]

If some MFFY driver tries to take your right-of-way, and you are in a
comparable or larger vehicle, have the collision. They will *not*
forget the lesson.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On 3/15/2011 10:28 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�n� " wrote in
message ...
On 3/15/2011 8:34 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per AMuzi:
And the Persians/Iranians haven't made amends for sacking
Athens (just before coming in 2d at Salamis).

Then there were a series of raids by the various Mayan
kings, enslaving and/or sacrificing the survivors in the
1200s to 1400s. No apologies there either.

Yeah, but

- The rape of Nanking happened within the lifetime of some people
still living today

As did the Conquest of Iraq. In fact, the invaders are still in Iraq.

Not invaders, but liberators - you dumb asshole!

Awww..., is Eddie cranky?

- Japan still has war memorials eulogizing some of the
perpetrators

The Japs were little better than savages. **** 'em!

George Tenet, Norman Podhoretz, and Paul Bremer have the Presidential
Medal of Freedom.

And rightly so! What have the god damn liberal Dems ever done to free
anyone?

- There is a significant level of denial at the national
level.

Yes, many USians still falsely believe the Conquest of Iraq was about
spreading democracy and protecting the world for weapons of mass
destruction.

That is exactly what it was about - you dumb asshole!

Ibid.

It wouldn't get us anything - but it would get Japan as a
nation/people enhanced credibility.

Same with the US.

Comparing the US to Japan is like comparing Sherman to Stalin. Hey, maybe
that is not so far fetched after all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXIUNEtw8Q

Stalin's daughter at last report lives in the same small Wisconsin town
I used to live in.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
message ...
On 3/15/2011 10:28 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Comparing the US to Japan is like comparing Sherman to Stalin. Hey, maybe
that is not so far fetched after all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXIUNEtw8Q

Stalin's daughter at last report lives in the same small Wisconsin town I
used to live in.

Stalin was a monster at least as evil as Hitler. But that is god damn
****ing liberalism for you, ever on the side of monsters!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Per Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ":
- The rape of Nanking happened within the lifetime of some people
still living today

As did the Conquest of Iraq. In fact, the invaders are still in Iraq.

- Japan still has war memorials eulogizing some of the
perpetrators

George Tenet, Norman Podhoretz, and Paul Bremer have the Presidential
Medal of Freedom.

- There is a significant level of denial at the national
level.

Yes, many USians still falsely believe the Conquest of Iraq was about
spreading democracy and protecting the world for weapons of mass
destruction.

I'm still wondering what the real reason we invaded Iraq is.
Maybe when the actors get a little older they'll write books
telling all.

But we'll all pay the price now that the inflation resulting from
a 62% increase in the federal deficit under those guardians of
fiscal responsibility is starting to kick in. Our kids are
probably going to get nothing. My only hope is that we don't
lose the house before we die.

But to compare Iraq to the rape of Nanking trivializes the
latter.

Read a couple of books or watch a couple of movies on the subject
and you'll get the point. A book: "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris
Chang. Couple movies: "Nanking" and "John Rabe".

The acts were bestial. Killing women (after raping them) by
jamming bayonets up the vagina was one that was reported
over-and-over. The command structure refused to take any action
to reign in the troops perpetrating such acts. The troops
themselves seemed to just be doing what they thought they were
entitled to do.

Germany owned up to theirs.

Another fifty years and nobody'll know the diff, but, for now,
Japan would be better off owning up to theirs.
--
PeteCresswell

Per Edward Dolan:
And rightly so! What have the god damn liberal Dems ever done to free
anyone?

Under Carter/Clinton the federal deficit was reduced by 13%.
Under Reagan/Bush it was increased by 62%.

Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

From Roosevelt/Truman through Reagan/Bush, the deficit as a
percent of GDP increased by 43.7% under Republican
administrations and DECREASED by 75.7% under Democratic
administrations.

Freedom?

Report back on the larger meaning of "Freedom" when millions of
people who have worked all their lives plus more that are working
40-60 hours a week at the bottom of the wage scale don't have a
dime to their names because of double-digit inflation brought on
by deficit spending.
--
PeteCresswell

On Mar 16, 9:15*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Edward Dolan:

And rightly so! What have the god damn liberal Dems ever done to free
anyone?

Under Carter/Clinton the federal deficit was reduced by 13%.
Under Reagan/Bush it was increased by 62%.

Check outhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

From Roosevelt/Truman through Reagan/Bush, the deficit as a
percent of GDP increased by 43.7% under Republican
administrations and DECREASED by 75.7% under Democratic
administrations.

Freedom? *

Report back on the larger meaning of "Freedom" when millions of
people who have worked all their lives plus more that are working
40-60 hours a week at the bottom of the wage scale don't have a
dime to their names because of double-digit inflation brought on
by deficit spending.

We are nearing a conclusion he If you a human being, you'll
probably have better quality of life in Japan, but if you are a whale
you are better stay off those waters.

Forget about Nanking. Everybody did terrible things like dropping the
Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Holocaust, and the raping of
thousands of German women by the Soviet troops.

And it's pretty cruel too that we keep the cyclists terrorized while
they are the ones doing something to save humanity.