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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:43:33 +0000, Martin
wrote: bugbear wrote: wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 01:35:10 -0800 (PST), Squashme wrote: So it goes. http://tinyurl.com/bm9ydc Why wasn't the victim wearing body armour, you may ask? Many thanks for posting that. It does of course remind us all that cycling can be very dangerous. I think you'll find it's being hit by a car that's dangerous. Being hit by an SUV is a lot more dangerous than being hit by an average car. I wonder why the MP considers it acceptable to drive a Land Rover Accuracy not your strong point : "Range Rover" I would have thought that your tutor would have stressed the need for accuracy when you did your PhD. What was the subject? judith -- "A helmet doesn't weigh much, doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of your ride, and is not seen as a big deal by most younger riders especially." Guy Chapman |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
"OG" wrote...
snipperty I trust you will join us in fighting this pointless imposition, particularly since you are aware that there is no correlation between compulsory helmet usage and head injury rates. And there's something, somewhere, showing there *is* no correlation? Or is it that there *is not* something, somewhere, showing that there is? Please let me have the link for either, or both. TIA -- A. Dazzle. |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:55:19 -0800 (PST), Squashme
wrote: On 4 Feb, 16:35, Alistair Gunn wrote: Martin twisted the electrons to say: Surely if you have a collision such his one, and you are driving an SUV, this should be taken into account and you should be held even more liable than if you had been driving a small car. So that would be contributory negligence then? *:-) *Failing to do something (namely drive a smaller, safer car) that could've made the accident and/or it's consequences less severe. ... can't see the insurance industry going for that one though! Indeed, and so I wonder why they should get interested in cyclists, helmets and contributory negligence? Can't be much money in it. So cyclist knocked off bike in accident with car and badly brain damaged - deemed to be 50% responsible having contributed to the level of injury by not wearing a helmet. Instead of 10 Million pounds pay out - insurance company has to pay 5 Million. Not much money in it ??? judith -- you can either promote cycling or promote helmets,the two are incompatible. (Guy Chapman) |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:45:58 -0800 (PST), Squashme
wrote: On 4 Feb, 16:41, francis wrote: On Feb 4, 3:43*pm, Martin wrote: bugbear wrote: wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 01:35:10 -0800 (PST), Squashme wrote: So it goes. http://tinyurl.com/bm9ydc Why wasn't the victim wearing body armour, you may ask? Many thanks for posting that. It does of course remind us all that cycling can be very dangerous. I think you'll find it's being hit by a car that's dangerous. Being hit by an SUV is a lot more dangerous than being hit by an average car. I wonder why the MP considers it acceptable to drive a Land Rover through an area where lots of pedestrians congregate. Surely if you have a collision such his one, and you are driving an SUV, this should be taken into account and you should be held even more liable than if you had been driving a small car. Do we have SUV's in the UK? Why should it not be acceptable for the MP concerned to drive a Land Rover? It could be argued that because of a higher driving position he would be able to see better. Yes, as a tory, he should be used to looking down upon people. But, in practice ... "Last October [2005] the BMJ published an American study showing that 4x4s were more dangerous to pedestrians than normal cars. Tests showed that people who were hit by the vehicles in accidents were four times more likely to die than those hit by other cars." ........ in America. |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
"A.Dazzle" wrote in message ... "OG" wrote... snipperty I trust you will join us in fighting this pointless imposition, particularly since you are aware that there is no correlation between compulsory helmet usage and head injury rates. And there's something, somewhere, showing there *is* no correlation? Or is it that there *is not* something, somewhere, showing that there is? Please let me have the link for either, or both. TIA DL Robinson "No clear evidence from countries that have enforced the wearing of helmets" published in BMJ in 2006 (BMJ, 2006;332:722.) It is currently available here http://www.geocities.com/velosecurite/art/6/ac722.pdf |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:43:33 +0000, Martin wrote: bugbear wrote: wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 01:35:10 -0800 (PST), Squashme wrote: So it goes. http://tinyurl.com/bm9ydc Why wasn't the victim wearing body armour, you may ask? Many thanks for posting that. It does of course remind us all that cycling can be very dangerous. I think you'll find it's being hit by a car that's dangerous. Being hit by an SUV is a lot more dangerous than being hit by an average car. I wonder why the MP considers it acceptable to drive a Land Rover Accuracy not your strong point : "Range Rover" The Daily Mail claims it was a Ranger Rover, however the BBC, The Times, The Telegraph (amongst others) all say "Land Rover". I don't know about you, but as far as reputable news sources go, I would trust the last three far more than the Mail, and I checked them before replying to bugbear. |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
"Roger Thorpe" wrote in message ... Don't you think that the "think bike!" adverts work both ways already by reminding the two wheeler of their invisibility? I think that's a good point. The "think bike" ads have always got me thinking that it could be *me* wiped out rather that making me more aware of bikes, as a car driver. You can do a few things to help yourself be seen, and you can sometimes spot the potential SMIDSY, but you'll never get them all and even when you do there's often no room to stop and nowhere to go. There is a one of those situations I use regularly on a motorcycle. National speed limit, single carriageway oncoming traffic turning right and traffic on the left queuing to pull out. I ride through it with eyes on both wondering which one will get me. So I pass through at a low speed with traffic on my tail wondering why I am going so slow when I have right of way. If there really is nowhere to go, then taking it slow is the only option. |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
"Martin" wrote in message
... Being hit by an SUV is a lot more dangerous than being hit by an average car. I wonder why the MP considers it acceptable to drive a Land Rover Accuracy not your strong point : "Range Rover" The Daily Mail claims it was a Ranger Rover, however the BBC, The Times, The Telegraph (amongst others) all say "Land Rover". I don't know about you, but as far as reputable news sources go, I would trust the last three far more than the Mail, and I checked them before replying to bugbear. Doesn't matter - Range Rover is a Land Rover, coz it's built by them. (why you're feeding Judith is a different question...) |
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Tory MP in 4x4 fined for 'momentary lapse of concentration'
"Squashme" wrote in message ... "Seem to be invisible"! I'm working on something along these lines. It might just save my life some day:- http://www.hermannkeist.ch/saf/Cougar/cougar14.jpg "Flares, what flares?, no, sorry mate, I was on me mobile, changing channels, sorting out a kids' argument, eating a sandwich, strumming my banjo, admiring the sunset (unlikely), having an epiphany (even more unlikely) ... " Really though, the reality of "seeming invisible" is to do with size and speed perception. An HGV at 40mph coming at you as a formidable sight, but a motorcycle at the same speed is barely noticed. I cyclist at half that speed is barely noticeable :-( |
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