Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!

One in the eye for the motorists here who are always banging on about
pavement cycling.

"...On 1st August 1999, new legislation came into force to allow a
fixed penalty notice to be served on anyone who is guilty of cycling
on a footway. However the Home Office issued guidance on how the new
legislation should be applied, indicating that they should only be
used where a cyclist is riding in a manner that may endanger others.
At the time Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued a letter stating
that:

"The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young
people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use
of police discretion is required."

Almost identical advice has since been issued by the Home Office with
regards the use of fixed penalty notices by 'Community Support
Officers' and wardens.

"CSOs and accredited persons will be accountable in the same way as
police officers. They will be under the direction and control of the
chief officer, supervised on a daily basis by the local community beat
officer and will be subject to the same police complaints system. The
Government have included provision in the Anti Social Behaviour Bill
to enable CSOs and accredited persons to stop those cycling
irresponsibly on the pavement in order to issue a fixed penalty
notice.

I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the
pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so.
Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with
a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone
under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The
Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) "

http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cy...nd_the_law.php

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On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
.....
I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the
pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so.
Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with
a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone
under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The
Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) "
....

You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not
likely to be a considerate cyclist either.

Colin Bignell

On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
.... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the
pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so.
Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with
a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone
under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The
Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) "


You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not
likely to be a considerate cyclist either.

It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly.

Doug.

On Sep 25, 7:56*am, Doug wrote:
One in the eye for the motorists here who are always banging on about
pavement cycling.


A responsible cyclist would not cycle on the pavement.

"...On 1st August 1999, new legislation came into force to allow a
fixed penalty notice to be served on anyone who is guilty of cycling
on a footway. However the Home Office issued guidance on how the new
legislation should be applied, indicating that they should only be
used where a cyclist is riding in a manner that may endanger others.

If a pedestrian feels threatened, then the cyclist is endangering him.

At the time Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued a letter stating
that:

"The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so.

A very rare person.

Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young
people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use
of police discretion is required."

Almost identical advice has since been issued by the Home Office with
regards the use of fixed penalty notices by 'Community Support
Officers' and wardens.

"CSOs and accredited persons will be accountable in the same way as
police officers. They will be under the direction and control of the
chief officer, supervised on a daily basis by the local community beat
officer and will be subject to the same police complaints system. The
Government have included provision in the Anti Social Behaviour Bill
to enable CSOs and accredited persons to stop those cycling
irresponsibly on the pavement in order to issue a fixed penalty
notice.

I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the
pavements.

See above
..
The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
traffic,

Note the word 'sometimes'

and who show consideration to other road users when doing so.
Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with
a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone
under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The
Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) "

http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cy...nd_the_law.php

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The Law is always open to question.


So this rule would not apply to cyclists who mount the pavement to get
past a road junction easier & also the ones who ride on the pavement
in my road when there is no traffic about?

Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
.... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling
on the
pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing
so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be
used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be
issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from
John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February
2004) "


You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not
likely to be a considerate cyclist either.

It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly.

The criteria are (a) you have to be in fear of the traffic and (b) you show
consideration to other road users.

Your previous activities at Critical Mass show you don't have either.

Tough. You're excluded.

On 25 Sep, 09:28, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
.... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling
on the
pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing
so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be
used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be
issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from
John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February
2004) "

You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not
likely to be a considerate cyclist either.

It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly.

The criteria are (a) you have to be in fear of the traffic and (b) you show
consideration to other road users.

Your previous activities at Critical Mass show you don't have either.

Tough. *You're excluded.

Well I don't cycle on pavements anyway, because I find them too
inconvenient and cluttered with road signs and lighting for drivers
etc., and I have managed to face up to my fear of drivers despite
having been hospitalised three times by them already.

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webreader wrote:


If a pedestrian feels threatened, then the cyclist is endangering him.


Can we therefore agree that if a cyclist feels threatened on the road by
a driver, then the driver is endangering them?

Tony

Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 09:28, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
.... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling
on the
pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of
fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road
users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed
penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion
and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to
Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference
T5080/4, 23 February 2004) "

You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are
not likely to be a considerate cyclist either.

It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly.

The criteria are (a) you have to be in fear of the traffic and (b)
you show consideration to other road users.

Your previous activities at Critical Mass show you don't have either.

Tough. You're excluded.

Well I don't cycle on pavements anyway, because I find them too
inconvenient and cluttered with road signs and lighting for drivers
etc., and I have managed to face up to my fear of drivers despite
having been hospitalised three times by them already.

Then what on earth are you complaining about?

On 25 Sep, 08:39, Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
.... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the
pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists
who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the
traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so.
Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with
a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone
under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The
Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) "

You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not
likely to be a considerate cyclist either.

It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly.

Doug.

Thank you Doug.

I am heartened to know that common sense appears to prevail here.

The other day, two schoolchildren cycled up on the pavement from
behind me,slowed to a halt and said to me, "excuse me sir, may we go
past you please?". I was amazed and said, "with pleasure" giving them
a big smile.

Yesterday, I experienced a teenager cycle past me on a narrow pavement
at high-speed, which caused me to stop for a moment - I was not as
pleased with him.

There are many cycle accidents involving women in particular, who get
crushed by a left turning lorry as cyle along on the nearside. I do
not want to get hit be lorries either, and so I keep off narrow roads
or where I fear danger and use the pavement instead, always in an
extremely thoughtful way; always giving way to pedestrians and their
dogs etc. I suppose that a Labour fake policeman may tell me to get
off the bike. I wonder if I would be able to ignore command if I felt
that I was being thoughtful and increasing my safety at the the same
time?

Turk182

"Doug" wrote in message
...

It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly.

Which excludes you then doesn't it Doug?