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I submit that on or about Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:53:42 -0700, the person
known to the court as "(PeteCresswell)" made a statement in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect: 5) Front wheel washes out on mud, canted wet tree root, slippery stone or whatever. Operator goes down hard, sort of sideways/face-first, slapping head sideways on hard ground - hard enough to lose conciousness. I tend not to wear a magic hat, so make damn sure that doesn't happen to me. I've lost the bike due to slippery conditions I think twice in the last five years, once I'd slowed down in response to the slippery road (ice) so the bike went down but I stayed standing, the other time I took a roundabout too fast on a wet day and the bike went sideways; I landed flat on my arse. Took out my best pair of bibtights, too. I was not happy! Anyone who is genuinely serious about preventing head injury while riding will be on a recumbent trike, where the risk is negligible, or a recumbent bike, where it is small. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
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"hell0.com (Alex B.)" wrote: You guys can go on all you want citing statistically insignificant personal events, but you are neither convincing anyone, nor proving anything... If you want to see statistics abused, visit the social sciences. Misdirected questions yield true but meaningless statistics. "Gazing at sheaves of statistics without 'prejudgment' is futile." -- Murray Rothbard "Experience . . . brings out the impossibility of learning anything from facts till they are examined and interpreted by reason; and teaches that the most reckless and treacherous of all theorists is he who professes to let facts and figures speak for themselves." -- Alfred Marshall |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... Mind you, what would I know? I suffered a serious bicycle crash many years ago and wasn't wearing a helmet, so obviously I'm dead! No, dear boy -- not dead, but seriously addled. |
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Per The Wogster:
There are really about 4 kinds of bike accident. 1) Bike hits another object, rider does a toss over handlebars and lands nose first, gaining a 3rd degree case of road rash. Helmet effect - none. 2) Bike hits another object, rider does a toss over handlebars, and while airborne hits another object head first. Helmet effect moderate to good. 3) Bike hits object and rider is partially crushed against object, helmet effect none. 4) Operator loses control and bike goes down sideways in a skid. Helmet effect none. 5) Front wheel washes out on mud, canted wet tree root, slippery stone or whatever. Operator goes down hard, sort of sideways/face-first, slapping head sideways on hard ground - hard enough to lose conciousness. Been there, done that. The several-inch-high pyramid shaped outcropping that was a few inches from where the side of my melon slapped the ground completed my little attitude adjustment. -- PeteCresswell |
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: Anyone who is genuinely serious about preventing head injury while riding will be on a recumbent trike, where the risk is negligible, or a recumbent bike, where it is small. I note that in the US, at least, almost all recumbent riders wear helmets. Yes, even the few on recumbent trikes! To me, this is proof that the hat choice is based on some variant of fashion, not logic. (Um, and if "fashion" affects even recumbent riders, nobody is immune! ;-) - Frank Krygowski |
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I submit that on or about Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:43:58 -0500, the person
known to the court as "Bob the Cow" made a statement in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect: Mind you, what would I know? I suffered a serious bicycle crash many years ago and wasn't wearing a helmet, so obviously I'm dead! No, dear boy -- not dead, but seriously addled. Apparently I must be. I put it down to the next crash, where I was wearing a helmet but was more seriously injured. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... Mind you, what would I know? I suffered a serious bicycle crash many years ago and wasn't wearing a helmet, so obviously I'm dead! No, dear boy -- not dead, but seriously addled. Apparently I must be. I put it down to the next crash, where I was wearing a helmet but was more seriously injured. Well, you must be athletic and know how to fall. It's good you're OK. You can take a joke too -- good on ya. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: Anyone who is genuinely serious about preventing head injury while riding will be on a recumbent trike, where the risk is negligible, or a recumbent bike, where it is small. I note that in the US, at least, almost all recumbent riders wear helmets. Yes, even the few on recumbent trikes! To me, this is proof that the hat choice is based on some variant of fashion, not logic. (Um, and if "fashion" affects even recumbent riders, nobody is immune! Are you pretending that it's hard to crash a recumbent trike? Ever changed direction in one unexpectedly due to "brake steering" at speed? They aren't as stable as they look, and it's easy to become complacent. A LWB recumbent bicycle also has some weight-distribution issues as to front and back wheel which also predispose to occasional lack of control. Granted, it's not as far to fall as from a diamond-frame, but some of these things do get up to a respectable speed. If a person chooses not to wear a helmet, it's none of my business. Apparently you make it your business to question the judgment of anyone who DOES choose to wear a helmet by attacking their choice as illogical or susceptible to fashion. Strange bias, that. |
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I submit that on or about Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:28:34 -0500, the person
known to the court as "Bob the Cow" made a statement in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect: Anyone who is genuinely serious about preventing head injury while riding will be on a recumbent trike, where the risk is negligible, or a recumbent bike, where it is small. I note that in the US, at least, almost all recumbent riders wear helmets. Yes, even the few on recumbent trikes! To me, this is proof that the hat choice is based on some variant of fashion, not logic. Are you pretending that it's hard to crash a recumbent trike? No, just that it's a heck of a lot harder to achieve that 1.5m drop with the body disconnected, as per the standards :-) Ever changed direction in one unexpectedly due to "brake steering" at speed? Yep. And I've done handbrake turns on one as well :-) A LWB recumbent bicycle also has some weight-distribution issues as to front and back wheel which also predispose to occasional lack of control. Granted, it's not as far to fall as from a diamond-frame, but some of these things do get up to a respectable speed. All recumbent bikes, in my experience, go really quickly when they go. But they tend to dump you on your arse, not your head. Actually you can sometimes put your feet down and just drop the bike, remaining standing - I'd forgotten, that happened to me once, approaching a traffic light, the road turned out to be greasy due to an oil slick, the bike went down and I stood up and skated to a halt :-) If a person chooses not to wear a helmet, it's none of my business. Apparently you make it your business to question the judgment of anyone who DOES choose to wear a helmet by attacking their choice as illogical or susceptible to fashion. Strange bias, that. Please be assured that the limit of my caring whether anyone wears a helmet or not is as follows: * ill-informed advocacy (look for phrases like "organ donor" or the figure 85%) * in countries where governments are committed to legislation when wearing rates rise to the point that enforcement would not be problematic, helmet wearing may impact on the freedom of choice of others. I have read much of the evidence, so has Frank. I'm happy to discuss it in detail. I used to e an enthusiastic helmet advocate, I was challenged to read the evidence, and I recognise I was duped. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
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