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Old November 30th 08, 03:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
SMS
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I was on the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, waiting for
the rest of the people in my group. There's a guy with a wheel walking
around looking at various bikes waiting there, most of which were the
rental bikes from the places along the wharf. Finally he approaches me
and asks if I have a pump. He probably wasn't too hopeful since I wasn't
wearing a bike jersey (actually I was wearing my Phil Wood t-shirt from
Interbike) or tights, and I was riding my folding Montague hybrid. Of
course I did have a pump, but it was in the trunk bag, not on the frame.

After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like
"how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches
and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I
didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.
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Old November 30th 08, 04:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Jorg Lueke
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On Nov 30, 9:09*am, SMS wrote:

After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like
"how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches
and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I
didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.


The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
little hand pump.
The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.

Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that
escapes me.


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Old November 30th 08, 06:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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:: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something
:: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes
:: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two
:: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the
:: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via
:: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus
:: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2
:: inflater.

SMS
:
: The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
: little hand pump.
: The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.
:
: Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that
: escapes me.

Jorg

You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you
use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" I carry CO2,
but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared!"

Pat in TX


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Old December 1st 08, 04:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Brian Huntley
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On Nov 30, 1:15*pm, "PatTX" wrote:

You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you
use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" *I carry CO2,
but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: *"Be Prepared!"


The only flat I had on this summer's tour was somewhere west of Val
d'Or, Quebec, in the rain. I changed out the tube quickly enough, only
to find the "new" tube had, apparently, been pinch flatted and
returned to the store.

I was ****ed about the tube but happy I had my Road Morph pump and not
a CO2 inflator. (And that I had yet another new tube.)


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Old December 1st 08, 08:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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PatTX wrote:


You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you
use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" I carry CO2,
but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared!"


The guy did say to me 'I may have to rethink my strategy,' so there is
hope. I guess since I'm not into super-light, I never considered
carrying a pump a problem, even when I used the big old Zefal frame
pumps. I get flats so rarely (knock on wood) with the use of kevlar
belted tires, and/or anti-flat strips that I don't need to save 60
seconds inflating a tire with a pump versus CO2.

I remember riding in Russia on a tandem tour. I told everyone to get
decent tires for crappy roads, not racing tires, but of course some
people showed up with 700x19 tires. They were endlessly fixing flats. I
got one flat in 800 km on my 700x35 kevlar belted tires (somehow a thorn
came in from the side, bypassing the Mr. Tuffy). We were slower, due to
a heavier Trek tandem with heavier tires, but we more than made up for
it with fewer stops for repairs.
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Old December 2nd 08, 02:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Dec 1, 3:17*pm, SMS wrote:

The guy did say to me 'I may have to rethink my strategy,' so there is
hope. I guess since I'm not into super-light, I never considered
carrying a pump a problem, even when I used the big old Zefal frame
pumps. I get flats so rarely (knock on wood) with the use of kevlar
belted tires, and/or anti-flat strips that I don't need to save 60
seconds inflating a tire with a pump versus CO2.


I have to agree with Mr. Scharf on this one. I have never considered
carrying a pump to be a problem.

In fact, the way I'd give the most help someone who is carrying CO2
cartridges is to tell them "Carry a pump."

- Frank Krygowski
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Old December 2nd 08, 04:40 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Sherman[_3_]
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Frank Krygowski wrote:

I have to agree with Mr. Scharf on this one.[...]


STOP THE PRESSES!!!

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Old December 2nd 08, 07:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Jorg Lueke
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On Nov 30, 12:15*pm, "PatTX" wrote:
:: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something
:: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes
:: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two
:: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the
:: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via
:: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus
:: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2
:: inflater.

SMS
:
: The logic is pretty simple. *The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
: little hand pump.
: The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.
:
: Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that
: escapes me.

Jorg

You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you
use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" *I carry CO2,
but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: *"Be Prepared!"

Pat in TX


I've never had more than one flat at a time. I can see it if you run
into some nasty debris. That's when you call your wife I don't
see any issue in carrying both.
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Old December 3rd 08, 03:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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On Dec 2, 9:13*pm, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
wrote:
Jorg Lueke considered Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:08:45
-0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:



On Nov 30, 12:15*pm, "PatTX" wrote:
:: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something
:: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes
:: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two
:: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the
:: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via
:: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus
:: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2
:: inflater.


SMS
:
: The logic is pretty simple. *The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
: little hand pump.
: The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.
:
: Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that
: escapes me.


Jorg


You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you
use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" *I carry CO2,
but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: *"Be Prepared!"


Pat in TX


I've never had more than one flat at a time. *I can see it if you run
into some nasty debris. *That's when you call your wife *I don't
see any issue in carrying both.


What, CO2 and a wife?


Man, and I thought using CO2 was expensive!
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Old December 3rd 08, 05:40 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Sherman[_3_]
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Brian Huntley wrote:
On Dec 2, 9:13 pm, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
wrote:
Jorg Lueke considered Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:08:45
-0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:



On Nov 30, 12:15 pm, "PatTX" wrote:
:: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something
:: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes
:: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two
:: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the
:: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via
:: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus
:: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2
:: inflater.
SMS
:
: The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
: little hand pump.
: The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.
:
: Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that
: escapes me.
Jorg
You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you
use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" I carry CO2,
but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared!"
Pat in TX
I've never had more than one flat at a time. I can see it if you run
into some nasty debris. That's when you call your wife I don't
see any issue in carrying both.

What, CO2 and a wife?


Man, and I thought using CO2 was expensive!


Yeah, tandems ain't cheap.

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Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll
 




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