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Old November 30th 08, 03:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Default Remember to help out your fellow cyclists that use CO2 cartridges.

I was on the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, waiting for
the rest of the people in my group. There's a guy with a wheel walking
around looking at various bikes waiting there, most of which were the
rental bikes from the places along the wharf. Finally he approaches me
and asks if I have a pump. He probably wasn't too hopeful since I wasn't
wearing a bike jersey (actually I was wearing my Phil Wood t-shirt from
Interbike) or tights, and I was riding my folding Montague hybrid. Of
course I did have a pump, but it was in the trunk bag, not on the frame.

After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like
"how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches
and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I
didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.
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Old November 30th 08, 04:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Jorg Lueke
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On Nov 30, 9:09*am, SMS wrote:

After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like
"how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches
and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I
didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.


The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
little hand pump.
The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.

Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that
escapes me.


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Old November 30th 08, 04:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Default Remember to help out your fellow cyclists that use CO2cartridges.

On Nov 30, 9:09*am, SMS wrote:
I was on the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, waiting for
the rest of the people in my group. There's a guy with a wheel walking
around looking at various bikes waiting there, most of which were the
rental bikes from the places along the wharf. Finally he approaches me
and asks if I have a pump. He probably wasn't too hopeful since I wasn't
wearing a bike jersey (actually I was wearing my Phil Wood t-shirt from
Interbike) or tights, and I was riding my folding Montague hybrid. Of
course I did have a pump, but it was in the trunk bag, not on the frame.

After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like
"how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches
and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I
didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.



Maybe some people like the smallness and easy-stow-away factor of the
CO2 inflator. But, yeah, it does seem silly to drop money on something
that's totally free (i.e. air) and - unless you're an underwater or
space cyclist - available at any time.
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Old November 30th 08, 06:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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:: After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something
:: like "how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes
:: and patches and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two
:: flats and I didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the
:: logic of carrying CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via
:: a tiny pump like the Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus
:: two 16 gram CO2 cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2
:: inflater.

SMS
:
: The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
: little hand pump.
: The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.
:
: Now the logic on measuring things to the gram is something that
: escapes me.

Jorg

You missed his point. He was saying, more or less "What do you do after you
use up all of your CO2 cartridges and then get another flat?" I carry CO2,
but I also carry a Topeak pump. It's the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared!"

Pat in TX


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Old November 30th 08, 06:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Jorg Lueke wrote:
On Nov 30, 9:09 am, SMS wrote:
After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like
"how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches
and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I
didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.


The logic is pretty simple. The CO2 will work a lot faster than a
little hand pump.
The hand pumps can be quite frustrating to properly fill a tube.


Wow, I've never been frustrated using a hand pump. Granted I'm not using
the really tiny pumps, just the small pumps.
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Old November 30th 08, 06:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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In article ,
writes:
wrote:

Maybe some people like the smallness and easy-stow-away factor of the
CO2 inflator. But, yeah, it does seem silly to drop money on something
that's totally free (i.e. air) and - unless you're an underwater or
space cyclist - available at any time.


All my frame pumps are small enough to count as neglible in weight
and bulk. They have the advantage of Not Running Out. Ever have four
flats in succession out in the middle of nowhere? I have. CO2 would
have left me walking.
I think what CO2 users don't like about pumps is -- pumping.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
Sort of like the people who join gyms and then park as close as possible
to the entrance so that they don't get all worn out walking in.


I think you've hit the nail on the head.

We also have a fascination with stuff that does our work
for us in this age of electric can openers, electric
toothbrushes, and remote control handsets.

I used to put it down to laziness, but there really is
a pleasing & almost hypnotic, or snake-fascination feature
to just kicking-back and watching machinations, automations
and robotics as they (sort of) act like humans and do our
mundane stuff for us. While I hope to not be a Luddite,
I fear our tendency to rely so much upon technology and
to go the "easy route" could eventually rob us of
opportunities to acquire and maintain basic skills that
society had already acquired, but is forsaking and
neglecting.

When the technology breaks down and fails, we're left
high & dry, and looking at each other for answers and
solutions -- maybe looking for a sociable fellow rider
with a simple bicycle pump.


cheers,
Tom

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Old November 30th 08, 07:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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wrote:

* *All my frame pumps are small enough to count as neglible in weight
and bulk. *They have the advantage of Not Running Out. *Ever have four
flats in succession out in the middle of nowhere? *I have. *CO2 would
have left me walking.

* *I think what CO2 users don't like about pumps is -- pumping. *
Sort of like the people who join gyms and then park as close as possible
to the entrance so that they don't get all worn out walking in.


I too use air pumps for all my tire inflation. But when I have a flat
in one of my 26x3.0 tires while I'm away from home, I have to admit
that I dread the seemingly infinite number of strokes required to
restore pressure to the repaired tube. I take care to bring along my
Topeak Mountain Morph pump (which has a hose) when I ride my MTB or my
29er, just so I don't overwork a valve stem and break it off.

The other day, I topped up all 32 wheelbarrow tires on the 80-foot
pedal-powered rattlesnake parked at my house. I counted approximately
1000 full length strokes from my Zefal Husky floor pump, and I got
some blistery spots on the palms of my hands that itched for days
afterwards.

So while generally speaking I figure human-powered tire inflation is a
good companion to human-powered transportation, I can appreciate why
some folks might want to avoid pumping when it's easy to do so.

Chalo
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Old November 30th 08, 10:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Default Remember to help out your fellow cyclists that use CO2cartridges.

On Nov 30, 10:09*am, SMS wrote:
I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.


Pumping with a mini/micro/frame pump: Slow, difficult, robust
CO2: Fast, easy, unforgiving of human error

On my so-called road bike, I carry CO2 with a micro pump as a backup.
Nice to be able to 'press and go', but also know that multiple flats
or a cartridge misfire won't strand me.

On the touring/utility bike, the weight of a Topeak Road Morph is
insignificant in comparison to the generator hub, fenders, rear rack,
etc. I'll admit to not being as concerned with the 'coolness' factor
when riding this bike vs. riding the road bike on a club ride.

-Greg
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Old December 1st 08, 01:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Default Remember to help out your fellow cyclists that use CO2 cartridges.

SMS wrote:
I was on the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, waiting for
the rest of the people in my group. There's a guy with a wheel walking
around looking at various bikes waiting there, most of which were the
rental bikes from the places along the wharf. Finally he approaches me
and asks if I have a pump. He probably wasn't too hopeful since I wasn't
wearing a bike jersey (actually I was wearing my Phil Wood t-shirt from
Interbike) or tights, and I was riding my folding Montague hybrid. Of
course I did have a pump, but it was in the trunk bag, not on the frame.

After he was done with the pump he thanked me, and I said something like
"how come you don't carry a pump?" (since he had spare tubes and patches
and tire levers), and he said 'I use CO2, but I got two flats and I
didn't have enough.' I guess I never understood the logic of carrying
CO2 versus carrying an infinite supply of air via a tiny pump like the
Topeak Micro Rocket, which weighs 65 gm versus two 16 gram CO2
cartridges (117 grams), since you still need the CO2 inflater.


I was in the same situation where I ran out of CO2 before I ran out of
flats. In my case, I walked home as I was only a few kms from there.

I hoped, in the future, never to have as many flats as I did. Why didn't
I buy a small pump instead? Simple - I didn't know they existed.
 




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