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Old January 28th 09, 09:45 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Andrew Price
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Default Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:05:13 +0000, David Hansen
wrote:

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I am not very popular with many cyclists in this group for stating
this view, but I have no great objection to bikes ridden sensibly on
the pavement. Riding sensibly means riding at walking pace or below
in crowded conditions and some bikes and/or loads are not stable
enough at low speed to be ridden sensibly on pavements, in which
case they should be pushed.


That's the way it works in Germany, where there are some pavements on
which cyclists may ride, provided always that they moderate their
speed and respect the priority of pedestrians.

However, I do point out to advocates of
pavement cycling that it is safer and quicker to use the roads in
most cases, so pavements are really for short parts of trips, for
example getting to/from parking.


Also true.
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Old January 28th 09, 12:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Alan Braggins
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Default Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton

In article , Andrew Price wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:05:13 +0000, David Hansen
wrote:

[---]

I am not very popular with many cyclists in this group for stating
this view, but I have no great objection to bikes ridden sensibly on
the pavement. Riding sensibly means riding at walking pace or below
in crowded conditions and some bikes and/or loads are not stable
enough at low speed to be ridden sensibly on pavements, in which
case they should be pushed.


That's the way it works in Germany, where there are some pavements on
which cyclists may ride, provided always that they moderate their
speed and respect the priority of pedestrians.


That's how it should work with shared use pavements in the UK too.

The disagreements (in my experience, and generally, not just in this group)
are about whether cyclists on pavements or shared use paths are generally
dangerous menaces who don't respect the priority of pedestrians or whether
the relatively small danger they pose is exaggerated, and whether (non
shared use) pavement cyclists who do respect pedestrians are harmlessly
breaking a pointless law, or bringing cyclists in general into disrepute
as lawbreakers.

(My views - those complaining are generally exaggerating the problems
that cyclists cause, but it's generally better not to give them another
excuse to complain by breaking the law.)
  #163  
Old February 1st 09, 10:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Default Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton

Clive George wrote:
"JNugent" wrote in message
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Can't you read, or something?

Guy says your daughter's injury is ignorable. As far as he's concerned,
she doesn't matter.

Let that be an end of it.


You really talk some utter tripe sometimes.

What you've written above is completely untrue.


I'm afraid you're wrong.

Guy opined that collisions between cyclists and pedestrians on footways are
ignorable.

Here's what he said:

"... perhaps people are
so obsessed by pavement cycling that they go out of their way to
remember it.

"At the public policy level it is ignorable."


  #164  
Old February 1st 09, 10:44 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Default Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:00:05 +0000, Tony Dragon
said in
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Guy says your daughter's injury is ignorable. As far as he's concerned,
she doesn't matter.
Let that be an end of it.


Oh look, an other lie. What I said was that injuries to pedestrians
caused by cyclists are, at a public policy level, ignorable.


You might well have said that. But I was referring to this little gem
(verbatim quote from you coming up):

"... Or perhaps people are so obsessed by pavement cycling that they go out
of their way to remember it.

"At the public policy level it is ignorable."

If (illegal) footway cycling were "ignorable", that could only be because its
consequences were ignorable.
 




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