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Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?



 
 
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Old February 5th 04, 06:12 AM
Westie
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

OK, I didn't really choose tubeless as such. The bike came with the Crossmax
UST wheelset. Whether or not it was a good idea doesn't matter. It's done.
I have tubeless. I now have tubeless tyres with many tiny holes in them.
It's to the point where it needs fixing.

I have googled and I know about Stan's, I know about Slime, I know about
Stan's and Slime causing a mess. I know about pinch flats, and I know about
putting tubes into my tubeless tyres. I know about superglue. But no where
can I find any good ideas on how to patch or repair punctures in tubeless
tyres. I really don't want Stan's or Slime, and will be really annoyed if I
have to use tubes in my tubeless tyres.

Has anyone any thoughts on this repair method before I start jamming things
in tiny holes.
I have already, successfully, patched a large thorn hole with superglue with
the neeedle and thread method.

1. Inflate tyre to reasonable pressure.
2. Proceed as for repairing normal tube by immersing in water and looking
for bubbles.
3. Upon identification of hole, accurately insert a pin or needle with
thread into the hole.
4. Continue until all holes have been plugged.
5. Deflate and remove tyre from rim.
6. From the inside, locate pins. If it is a needle, locate needle and pull
through until the cotton is in the hole.
7. Put drop of super glue on pin or thread.
8. Remove pin or thread by pulling from the outside of the tyre.
9. Remount and inflate patched tyre.

It's either that, or bloody tubes.
Stupid tyres.

Any help muchly appreciated.
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Old February 5th 04, 11:20 AM
Per Elmsäter
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

Westie wrote:
Snip interesting technique of patching a tire


From what I heard you just patch it with normal tube patches and glue from
the inside.
I'm still waiting for my first flat so I haven't had a chance to try it yet.
I carry a spare tube and selfadhesive patches, just to make sure I can
always get home.

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Old February 5th 04, 03:24 PM
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

I too have not had my first tubeless flat, but do carry a tube just in case.

I do remember being shown how to fix a flat circa 1962. It was the summer of
`62, I was 6 yrs old, ready to spin a wrench with the 9 - 14 year olds in the
neighborhood. The older kids were fixing a flat tube, with a kit that had a
cheese grater or sandpaper, after a using it a little bit of the glue was
used.....spread out just a bit larger than the patch that was going to be
placed.

And quickly a match or ligher was lit and the glue was ignited, it began to
bubble and flame, and just when you could see the edges of the wet area begining
to dry up, and you could see that the glue and tube were quite hot, the flame
was blown out and all in one motion the patch was applied to the hot glue,
Vulcanized!

I'm not saying that that technique will work w/Tubelss, but I'll be trying it
before I throw a perfectly good tire away that has a large thorn hole.

Also, I've used quarts of Super glue in my modeling days, I've found that it
sticks to cotton quite well but that on other surfaces, especially flexible
ones, it can just crack off.

There are different grades as basically, thin, med, and thick. I like the thin
with accelerator that you can spray on before and just after applying super glue
it makes for better adhesion and near instant drying. There is also orderless
and it's special accelerator that is used for styro-foam. I'm not sure if any
of these will work.

What about 5min epoxy? That stuff sticks to just about everything. Or, how'a
bout Shoe Goo, that too sticks to everything. Both of these are relatively
flexible.

HTH

JeffP......


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
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Westie wrote:
Snip interesting technique of patching a tire


From what I heard you just patch it with normal tube patches and glue from
the inside.
I'm still waiting for my first flat so I haven't had a chance to try it yet.
I carry a spare tube and selfadhesive patches, just to make sure I can
always get home.

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Perre

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Old February 5th 04, 03:40 PM
Dave W
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

"JeffP" had this to say
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I too have not had my first tubeless flat, but do carry a tube just in
case.

I do remember being shown how to fix a flat circa 1962. It was the
summer of `62, I was 6 yrs old, ready to spin a wrench with the 9 - 14
year olds in the neighborhood. The older kids were fixing a flat
tube, with a kit that had a cheese grater or sandpaper, after a using
it a little bit of the glue was used.....spread out just a bit larger
than the patch that was going to be placed.

And quickly a match or ligher was lit and the glue was ignited, it
began to bubble and flame, and just when you could see the edges of
the wet area begining to dry up, and you could see that the glue and
tube were quite hot, the flame was blown out and all in one motion the
patch was applied to the hot glue, Vulcanized!


This is exactly what I learned in the early 70's myself. And it serves me
wel to this very day. Back then I thought the older kids were full of
crap...but nearly 35 yrs later, it still is effective

Haven't seen the need for tubeless yet, I just think the technology isn't
all that....yet.

Dave
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Old February 5th 04, 07:10 PM
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"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message ...
Westie wrote:
Snip interesting technique of patching a tire


From what I heard you just patch it with normal tube patches and glue from
the inside.
I'm still waiting for my first flat so I haven't had a chance to try it yet.
I carry a spare tube and selfadhesive patches, just to make sure I can
always get home.


Supposedly, you have to clean the inside of the tire at the repair
point with some solvent like toluene. So that the glue and patch will
stick properly. And don't sand the spot first! IIRC, there was an
article in one of the bike rags about this. I'm too lazy to look it
up, tho'.
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Old February 5th 04, 09:00 PM
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

"Westie" wrote in message
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It's to the point where it needs fixing.
But no where
can I find any good ideas on how to patch or repair punctures in tubeless
tyres.


Tried tubeless tire patches?
http://edenbicycles.com/site/page.cf...259&SKU=PK2580

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Old February 5th 04, 09:11 PM
Per Elmsäter
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

FlyingCoyote wrote:
"Westie" wrote in message
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It's to the point where it needs fixing.
But no where
can I find any good ideas on how to patch or repair punctures in
tubeless tyres.


Tried tubeless tire patches?
http://edenbicycles.com/site/page.cf...259&SKU=PK2580



They're sure charging enough. Three patches for $16.99 ???

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Old February 5th 04, 09:25 PM
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"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
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FlyingCoyote wrote:
"Westie" wrote in message
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It's to the point where it needs fixing.
But no where
can I find any good ideas on how to patch or repair punctures in
tubeless tyres.


Tried tubeless tire patches?
http://edenbicycles.com/site/page.cf...259&SKU=PK2580



They're sure charging enough. Three patches for $16.99 ???

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Perre

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I'm pretty sure that price is wrong. I'd call or email. I've bought the same
patches from them and they were closer to $7 or $8 I think.

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Old February 5th 04, 09:41 PM
Per Elmsäter
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

FlyingCoyote wrote:
"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
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FlyingCoyote wrote:
"Westie" wrote in message
...

It's to the point where it needs fixing.
But no where
can I find any good ideas on how to patch or repair punctures in
tubeless tyres.

Tried tubeless tire patches?
http://edenbicycles.com/site/page.cf...259&SKU=PK2580



They're sure charging enough. Three patches for $16.99 ???

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Perre

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I'm pretty sure that price is wrong. I'd call or email. I've bought
the same patches from them and they were closer to $7 or $8 I think.


That'd be more in line with what the other brands, Park Tools etc were
selling for. Since you've bought some can you tell the difference? Ie
between these and regular patch material for tubes.

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Old February 5th 04, 09:57 PM
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Default Oh God, Not Another Tubeless Tyre Question... Good ideas for patching?

"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
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That'd be more in line with what the other brands, Park Tools etc were
selling for. Since you've bought some can you tell the difference? Ie
between these and regular patch material for tubes.

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Perre

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The tubeless tire patches seem to be a little beefier. Not sure if there's
anything different about the material or adhesive.

I'd tried regular tube patches first since they are cheaper (and often free
at events and such) and they usually didn't hold for long, and didn't work
at all on anything bigger than a pinhole. On anything other than tiny pin
holes the patch would blow out of the tire after inflating.

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