Smoking Pot and Cycling

landotter wrote:
RonSonic wrote:


My opposition to abortion is considered conservative for some reason. I would
think that consigning such crude and barbaric practice to the footnotes of
history was a progressive sort of position to take, but apparently I'm mistaken.


barbaric? it's a simple vacuum process that's quite unbarbaric. There's
a difference between a zygote an embryo and a born child, dontcha
know.

Even the Catholic church was fine with it untill recently as long as
the termination was before the "quickening".

The church should quit trying to run the world, but the truth is the
Pope probably has more real power over more people than Bush.

Women have terminated pregnancies for mellinia, and the body itself
will do so, if it's not feeling healthy, so having a simple vacuum
procedure very early in the pregnancy is just fine by me.

What's barbaric is bringing an unwanted child into this cruel world to
suffer.

Double "Amen.". Especially in some of the worst countries. Why have any
child if you know it is likely to die of starvation or territorial
gunfights and stray bullets? I am practical, that's all. A child never
conceived will never suffer.

If you're religious and believe that the soul enters the embryo at the
moment of conception--I respect that, don't have an abortion, just
don't force others to comply with your personal faith.

Amen, again.
Bill

Little Meow wrote:
Bill Baka wrote in news:PBnSf.44120$2O6.5013

Back at you. I just want this thread to die.
Besides, I did say Nitrous Oxide so they could laugh themselves to death
painlessly. Have you "EVER" seen a Muslim actually laugh?


Yes, but none of the jokes are about the
Prophet (Salla Allahu alaihi Wa Sallam)
or Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala).

Yeah, they are touchy on that. Maybe we could arrange for God in our
language to translate to Allah in theirs and make points.
Bill

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:42:23 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:

RonSonic wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:03:11 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:


RonSonic wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:41:29 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:



RonSonic wrote:


Soon enough there will be a reaction among mainstream liberal America to shun
the extremists and moonbats, the Democrat party will either disappear or realign
and sanity will again prevail.

Ron

I was going to stay out of this one but you consider the Bush
administration SANE? An administration controlled by so called 'Born
again' Christian fanatics will have us in a holy war with the Muslims
forever. Are we at war with Iraq and terrorists or just Muslims/Islams,
Sunnies/Shiites, or who. The Muslims are murdering people, actually
trying to commit genocide in Africa by wiping out the blacks and taking
over their countries. Leaders are begging for help and Bush is totally
ignoring them. Something is totally whacked in Washington.


Let me get this straight.

You are afraid of a holy war with Islam.

Not hardly, if we can't nuke em we can nerve gas all of them since the
Geneva convention is way out of date and the UN holds no real power.


The latter part is true. It has no moral authority either.


There is an Islamic genocide in Sudan

Muslim genocide of blacks if you would pay attention to the news. Makes
what happened in Rwanda look trivial. I won't even say anything about
Somalia.

You criticize the President for not diving into that fray.

He claims to want to help human rights.


So we should go to war? But you keep complaining that we shouldn't do that.


Yet you accuse him of wanting a holy war.

Blessed be the oil, and even better if a Bush supported pseudo-democracy
is in control. We could just annex the oil fields as a United States
territory as payback for all the trouble, but again that would lead to
more **** hitting the fan.


I thought you said we could just nuke and gas 'em?


Yet he's wrong for not accepting this opportunity to engage.

Yes, people are being slaughtered and he could care less because the
nation has nothing to offer.


They've got oil! That's usually given as one of the reasons for the
depopulation. But you said we invade for oil.


I'm sorry this is hard to follow.

For you maybe. I have given up on your ability to reason.


Reason and following your train of thought are very different things.

Ron

Back at you. I just want this thread to die.
Besides, I did say Nitrous Oxide so they could laugh themselves to death

That was in a later post.
painlessly. Have you "EVER" seen a Muslim actually laugh?

Yes. In Cairo.

Ron

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:30:45 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:

Little Meow wrote:
Bill Baka wrote in news:PBnSf.44120$2O6.5013

Back at you. I just want this thread to die.
Besides, I did say Nitrous Oxide so they could laugh themselves to death
painlessly. Have you "EVER" seen a Muslim actually laugh?


Yes, but none of the jokes are about the
Prophet (Salla Allahu alaihi Wa Sallam)
or Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala).

Yeah, they are touchy on that. Maybe we could arrange for God in our
language to translate to Allah in theirs and make points.

Won't happen for some very important reasons, like they ain't the same.

Ron

On 16 Mar 2006 19:47:30 -0800, "landotter" wrote:


RonSonic wrote:

My opposition to abortion is considered conservative for some reason. I would
think that consigning such crude and barbaric practice to the footnotes of
history was a progressive sort of position to take, but apparently I'm mistaken.

barbaric? it's a simple vacuum process that's quite unbarbaric.

Needless destruction of life is barbaric.

There's
a difference between a zygote an embryo and a born child, dontcha
know.

Yes, there is. And where does that fit into the world of modern abortion
politics?

Even the Catholic church was fine with it untill recently as long as
the termination was before the "quickening".

Which was the standard forever, so why the hell isn't that good enough for the
modern sterility cult.

Women have terminated pregnancies for mellinia, and the body itself
will do so, if it's not feeling healthy, so having a simple vacuum
procedure very early in the pregnancy is just fine by me.

We aren't talking about "very early" are we. That is not a part of the present
debate - we are talking about the principle that if the child is not quite born
yet, it can be killed for reasons that wouldn't persuade a veterinarian to put
down a cat.

What's barbaric is bringing an unwanted child into this cruel world to
suffer.

Oh, quit whining. If it was that bad you'd off yourself.

If you're religious and believe that the soul enters the embryo at the
moment of conception--I respect that, don't have an abortion, just
don't force others to comply with your personal faith.

What strawman are you beating on now. Telling you (and anyone else who reads
this) that abortion is crude and cruel is not forcing anyone to comply with
anything.

Ron

RonSonic wrote:

painlessly. Have you "EVER" seen a Muslim actually laugh?


Yes. In Cairo.

Ron

Must have been on hell of a joke, and of course Allah was not in it.
Bill

RonSonic wrote:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:30:45 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:


Little Meow wrote:

Bill Baka wrote in news:PBnSf.44120$2O6.5013

Back at you. I just want this thread to die.
Besides, I did say Nitrous Oxide so they could laugh themselves to death
painlessly. Have you "EVER" seen a Muslim actually laugh?


Yes, but none of the jokes are about the
Prophet (Salla Allahu alaihi Wa Sallam)
or Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala).

Yeah, they are touchy on that. Maybe we could arrange for God in our
language to translate to Allah in theirs and make points.


Won't happen for some very important reasons, like they ain't the same.

Ron

If you are a beleiver of any sort, God, by any name has to be at the top
of the chain. Maybe Allah, Budhha, Jesus, and many more were just his
local servants.
Maybe he is only God for this Solar system or Galaxy and puts in yearly
reports to a God of the whole universe?????
Maybe there are more that one universes each with their own system.
It is beyond human understanding.
Why so much blood in His name?
Bill

"RonSonic" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:57:09 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
What are those 4 issues?

That's approximately, and in no particular order...

My opposition to abortion is considered conservative for some reason. I
would
think that consigning such crude and barbaric practice to the footnotes of
history was a progressive sort of position to take, but apparently I'm
mistaken.

This country, its people and its system of governance are, despite the
obvious
flaws (mostly failures that are common throughout humanity - who is so
arrogant
as to think we could invent any new great vice) is the best and deserves
defense. Yes, America is special - exceptional, even and deserves our
service
and sacrifice to its preservation and defense. Oddly enough, this is
considered
a conservative thought.

Property rights and the rule of impartial law are essential to our
prosperity
and continued peace and order. Again, it is curious that believing that
one has
a right to keep and use his property as he sees fit and be treated exactly
like
others before the law is not considered liberal. Neither is the right of a
free
man in a free country to keep personal weaponry regardless of class or
race. I
can't think of a more liberal idea, myself.

The failed fraud of Marx and Engels has no place in this country. Karl
Marx said
it himself in Das Kapital. It is even more true now than in his time.

Our Constitution assures a freedom to worship, not a freedom from worship.
We
are truly blessed in ways that nothing short of living in Haiti will make
clear
and it is well to remember that. Even if you have no god, take a moment to
consider your good fortune and perhaps you'll know why those who do are so
quick
to praise Him.

Ron and I are not too far apart I suspect. The Dems have got to get right
on
the national security issues. For them to forfeit these issues to the
Repubs
for short term political gain borders on insanity.

You, me and the overwhelming majority of Americans are not all that far
apart.
There are some deep and difficult disagreements that will likely have to
remain,
but most of us agree on most issues.

Ron

I agree with every one of Ron's statements in a general way. Like him, I do
not see anything particularly conservative about them either. It is just
that the liberal left has gone completely crazy.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Mark Leuck wrote:


Back at you. I just want this thread to die.
Besides, I did say Nitrous Oxide so they could laugh themselves to death
painlessly. Have you "EVER" seen a Muslim actually laugh?
Bill

My dentist. Players on my little league team. There are some crazy
Muslims. There are crazy Christians. There are crazy Jews. There are
crazy atheists. You are simply a racist.

However, in this country we have concepts called Freedom of Religion,
and separation of Church and state. I also like real elections.

As far as pot and bicycling, why would a fitness oriented person want to
take hot dirty air into their lungs.

Beach Runner wrote:


Mark Leuck wrote:


Back at you. I just want this thread to die.
Besides, I did say Nitrous Oxide so they could laugh themselves to death
painlessly. Have you "EVER" seen a Muslim actually laugh?
Bill


My dentist. Players on my little league team. There are some crazy
Muslims. There are crazy Christians. There are crazy Jews. There are
crazy atheists. You are simply a racist.

However, in this country we have concepts called Freedom of Religion,
and separation of Church and state. I also like real elections.

As far as pot and bicycling, why would a fitness oriented person want to
take hot dirty air into their lungs.

Wow,
Can you ever misinterpret things. I only said tht Gog was God and
fighting over his name is ridiculous.
I smoked about 1/3 joint and downed 2 root beers at the top of a climb
where I met some old time hippies in a real VW van. We talked for about
a half an hour so his bus could cool down, me too, then I rode down with
a smile. I am not a racist, I just hate idiots that are self made.
Bill