Troll posts to various cycling newsgroups

Edward Dolan wrote:
"Alan Erskine" wrote in message
...
By "Edward Dolan". These troll posts have been reported to:
along with full headers. I recommend all people who see "Edward Dolan's"
posts also email with similar complaints.

Anyone can post to whatever newsgroup they want and say anything they want
within reason.

Imperceptive, you often misinterpret much of what you read. Allow me
to suggest that you review your ISP's Terms of Agreement, Acceptable
Use Policy. You will discover that should your Usenet newsgroup
behavior be brought to their attention and should your ISP decide to
enforce their policy and take action, you will soon learn just how much
you opinions are valued in the real world.

But Alan is a net nanny who thinks he knows who can say what.
He should get on a moderated forum where others can censor him and those who
think like him.

We used to have a jerk like this on ARBR but he soon realized the futility
of trying to dictate who could say what.

Don't be so hard on yourself Ed. Besides, unfortunately you're still
here.

Jim McNamara


Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"Alan Erskine" wrote in message
...
By "Edward Dolan". These troll posts have been reported to:
along with full headers. I recommend all people who see "Edward Dolan's"
posts also email with similar complaints.

Anyone can post to whatever newsgroup they want and say anything they want
within reason. But Alan is a net nanny who thinks he knows who can say what.
He should get on a moderated forum where others can censor him and those who
think like him.

We used to have a jerk like this on ARBR but he soon realized the futility
of trying to dictate who could say what.

What do you me used to have??? You're still here. Say CInderella ...
if the shoe fits...

Jim McNamara

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Resound wrote:
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Mr. Erskine, would you please cease harassing my friend Ed Dolan? I
really think a lot of him, and I dote on his every word. Thank you.
Triangular Fred


Triangle Man! Have you resolved your differences with Person Man yet?

Be careful, Universe Man is watching.

I never thought I would see a post about TMBG here! HAH!

-Buck

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Anyone can post to whatever newsgroup they want and say anything they
want
within reason.

Imperceptive, you often misinterpret much of what you read. Allow me
to suggest that you review your ISP's Terms of Agreement, Acceptable
Use Policy. You will discover that should your Usenet newsgroup
behavior be brought to their attention and should your ISP decide to
enforce their policy and take action, you will soon learn just how much
you opinions are valued in the real world.

All anyone has to do is read what goes on on any newsgroup. I can't think of
anything that is not acceptable. Most trolls are just spammers - but the
defining characteristic of all trolls is their idiocy. I have never known a
troll who was not an idiot. The only thing more pathetic than a troll is a
stalker. Anyone recognize anyone here?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Bleve" wrote in message
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Alan Erskine wrote:
By "Edward Dolan". These troll posts have been reported to:
along with full headers. I recommend all people who see "Edward Dolan's"
posts also email with similar complaints.

Alan, you've been around for long enough to have learnt that USENET's
full of idiots, and the only way to get rid of them as individuals is
just to ignore them. Your rather lame attempts to get them kicked by
their ISPs etc is just giving them what they want, which is a reaction.

It's school holidays, it's always September somewhere, and there is an
infinate number of dickheads. Don't be one yourself by playing their
game. You *should* have learnt this by now.

I will stand by every message I have ever posted to Usenet, bar none. Some
of my posts will require some explanation do doubt, but I can defend and
justify everything I have ever said to anyone. But the complete thread will
have to be there, not just something pull out of context.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]

All anyone has to do is read what goes on on any newsgroup. I can't think
of anything that is not acceptable. Most trolls are just spammers - but
the defining characteristic of all trolls is their idiocy. I have never
known a troll who was not an idiot. The only thing more pathetic than a
troll is a stalker. Anyone recognize anyone here?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota




You are describing yourself, Troll, idiocy, pathetic, stalker they all
fit.

Alan Erskine wrote:
By "Edward Dolan". These troll posts have been reported to:
along with full headers. I recommend all people who see "Edward Dolan's"
posts also email with similar complaints.

On this topic, I have a friend who is a web developer who is always
looking for ideas to get into. I pitched an idea to him for creating a
troll-free usenet gateway but he isn't convinced of its merits because
he thinks Usenet is a dying medium.

My idea was basically that we'd create a Usenet gateway not unlike
Google Groups, but with a twist.

We'd start by appointing ourselves and a few trustworthy people from
the newsgroups we post to as moderators.

The moderators don't (and can't) actually block troll posts from going
out to Usenet, but they are blocked from our site. People reading
through our site will be given various options including the ability to
view the newsgroups in fully filtered, flagged and unfiltered states.

But the interestign bit is that anyone can be a moderator. Moderators
vote in new moderators, if there aren't enough moderators in a
newsgroup (say, 5) to have an internal vote, random moderators from
other newsgroups (especially related ones) would be randomly drafted in
by the system to review the wannabe's posting record and establish that
they're a good guy or a troll.

Similarly, moderators could be voted out if they turn out to abuse
their power (for instance if a troll were somehow able to get himself
granted moderator status and then went about being a nuisance.)

A system of seniority (based on time as a moderator and some sort of
voting system) would measure the trust levels of each moderator and
could be a modifier in votes, i.e. highly trusted moderator's votes
would count for more than a recently appointed moderator.

I envisage something like a Wikipedia type system where the community
as a whole work to keep the system clean of vandalism.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

(If so, please say so in this thread, and I'll point this out to my
skeptical web developer friend who might be tempted to knock together
some kind of beta...)

Travis

Alan Erskine wrote:
By "Edward Dolan". These troll posts have been reported to:
along with full headers.

The chance of any ISP doing anything is about zero.

I recommend all people who see "Edward Dolan's"
posts also email with similar complaints.

Most of us don't see his posts because he's been kill-filed. Outlook,
Thunderbird, and I presume most other non-web based newsgroup readers,
make it easy to filter out people like Ed.

Edward Dolan wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Anyone can post to whatever newsgroup they want and say anything they
want
within reason.

Imperceptive, you often misinterpret much of what you read. Allow me
to suggest that you review your ISP's Terms of Agreement, Acceptable
Use Policy. You will discover that should your Usenet newsgroup
behavior be brought to their attention and should your ISP decide to
enforce their policy and take action, you will soon learn just how much
you opinions are valued in the real world.

All anyone has to do is read what goes on on any newsgroup. I can't think of
anything that is not acceptable. Most trolls are just spammers - but the
defining characteristic of all trolls is their idiocy. I have never known a
troll who was not an idiot.

Dont' be so hard on yourself. What you need to read is your ISP's
Terms of Agreement, Acceptable Use Policy so that you will understand
that you are in violation. - Jim McNamara

The only thing more pathetic than a troll is a
stalker. Anyone recognize anyone here?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Travis" wrote in message
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I envisage something like a Wikipedia type system where the community
as a whole work to keep the system clean of vandalism.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

(If so, please say so in this thread, and I'll point this out to my
skeptical web developer friend who might be tempted to knock together
some kind of beta...)

I like the latter part of it; if ISP's were more responsible/accountable,
trolls like ED would be less tolerated.

In addition, if usenet (newsgroups) were dying out, why are so many new
groups being created? The aus. groups don't grow very quickly, but they are
getting more and more traffic.


--
Alan Erskine