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Old December 1st 08, 02:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
David Hansen
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I see that the police have picked on another cyclist in Edinburgh
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Cyclist-fined-after-three-hours.4747444.jp.

If the report is true then the cyclist had working lights on his
bike, though they may have been dim. Thus he was not committing an
offence and the police had no grounds to ask him for his name and
address. Thus the arrest was illegal, just like the fixed penalty
notice.




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Old December 1st 08, 02:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:06:01 +0000, David Hansen
wrote:

I see that the police have picked on another cyclist in Edinburgh
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Cyclist-fined-after-three-hours.4747444.jp.

If the report is true then the cyclist had working lights on his
bike, though they may have been dim. Thus he was not committing an
offence and the police had no grounds to ask him for his name and
address. Thus the arrest was illegal, just like the fixed penalty
notice.



I wonder why he accepted the fixed penalty charge?

Perhaps because he realised he had committed an offence.

Do you really think he was not committing an offence - because the
lights were only dim? Or is it perhaps you who is?

I suggest that you or Anchor Lee get in touch asap to offer him the
benefit of your fine legal minds.

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Commenting on a legal gate in a public park: I'd think it comes under
the heading of "causing an obstruction", and should be investigated by
the police as such. Phil W(anker) Lee - well known Psycholist

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Old December 1st 08, 02:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Dec 1, 1:06*pm, David Hansen
wrote:
I see that the police have picked on another cyclist in Edinburgh
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Cyclist-fined-after-thre....

If the report is true then the cyclist had working lights on his
bike, though they may have been dim. Thus he was not committing an
offence and the police had no grounds to ask him for his name and
address. Thus the arrest was illegal, just like the fixed penalty
notice.


The report states he was stopped for not showing *any* lights, and
arrested for subsequently refusing to provide his name.

"Officers told the 30-year-old they had spotted him cycling along the
busy Tollcross Street without any lights on..."

He accepted a fixed penalty notice and therefore accepted his guilt.
That he has the brass neck to then seek publicity for his pig-
headedness just gives some people more excuse to give *all* cyclists a
hard time.

Calum

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Old December 1st 08, 03:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Daniel Barlow
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calum writes:

That he has the brass neck to then seek publicity for his pig-
headedness just gives some people more excuse to give *all* cyclists a
hard time.


Likewise all sociologists, all 30 year olds or all Edinburgh
residents, any of which would be about as valid a generalisation.
"Some people" are, unfortunately, pig-**** stupid and there's little
that can be done about it short of a shovel and a shallow grave.


-dan
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Old December 1st 08, 03:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
calum
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On Dec 1, 2:05*pm, Daniel Barlow wrote:
calum writes:
That he has the brass neck to then seek publicity for his pig-
headedness just gives some people more excuse to give *all* cyclists a
hard time.


Likewise all sociologists, all 30 year olds or all Edinburgh
residents, any of which would be about as valid a generalisation.
"Some people" are, unfortunately, pig-**** stupid and there's little
that can be done about it short of a shovel and a shallow grave.

-dan


I'm not in complete agreement. None of the other categories you cite
is a regular target for venom from his fellow man (except perhaps for
residents of Edinburgh).

Calum
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Old December 1st 08, 03:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:49:56 -0800 (PST) someone who may be calum
wrote this:-

The report states he was stopped for not showing *any* lights,


The report reports the claims of the police. That does not prove
that he was not showing *any* lights. It may be that the police
simply failed to spot the lights amongst the general array of lights
on the road, it may be that the police were unable to see them as
the police were not in the right position (for example looking from
the side), it may be that their view was obstructed by something, it
may be that the police are lying, it may be that the report is
wrong. All sorts of possibilities.

and arrested for subsequently refusing to provide his name.


The police have only limited grounds to request such information. If
the lights were working then they had no grounds to request the
information, unless one imagines that the lights suddenly started
working. Although a light which has been switched off for a while
may be brighter when switched back on I doubt if an exhausted light
would make a comeback.

"Officers told the 30-year-old they had spotted him cycling along the
busy Tollcross Street without any lights on..."


Read on to the next bit after the three dots, "But Mr Cimini
challenged this, claiming he had left his flat with both lights
working".

He accepted a fixed penalty notice and therefore accepted his guilt.


The police had already used threatening words and behaviour. No
doubt this continued and the victim gave in. Many victims do.




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Old December 1st 08, 03:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Roger Thorpe[_6_]
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Given the small amount of information we have it's possible to build up
a picture of events where the rider is an arse just as easily as one can
make a picture where the policeman is an arse.
I was picked up like this about thirty years ago, and got provoked into
being an arse myself. At least I did get a (long) anecdote out of it,
but I won't repeat it here.
Roger Thorpe
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Old December 1st 08, 03:59 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Martin[_2_]
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David Hansen wrote:
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:49:56 -0800 (PST) someone who may be calum
wrote this:-

The report states he was stopped for not showing *any* lights,


The report reports the claims of the police. That does not prove
that he was not showing *any* lights. It may be that the police
simply failed to spot the lights amongst the general array of lights
on the road, it may be that the police were unable to see them as
the police were not in the right position (for example looking from
the side),


If the police failed to spot his lights amongst the general array of
lights, then Mr Cimini needs to think if he needs more/better lights on
his bike. Some of the LED lights I see are very dim against a background
of other lights, which is why I am a big flashing lights.



"Officers told the 30-year-old they had spotted him cycling along the
busy Tollcross Street without any lights on..."


Read on to the next bit after the three dots, "But Mr Cimini
challenged this, claiming he had left his flat with both lights
working".


That is the odd thing, if he did have working lights, then the police
should have just let him get on his way.
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Old December 1st 08, 04:12 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
calum
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On Dec 1, 2:42*pm, David Hansen
wrote:
The report states he was stopped for not showing *any* lights,


The report reports the claims of the police. That does not prove
that he was not showing *any* lights.


The report reports the claims of both sides.

It may be that the police
simply failed to spot the lights amongst the general array of lights
on the road, it may be that the police were unable to see them as
the police were not in the right position (for example looking from
the side), it may be that their view was obstructed by something, it
may be that the police are lying, it may be that the report is
wrong. All sorts of possibilities.


But most likely, given his acceptance of a fixed penalty, that he
failed to display lights at night.

The police had already used threatening words and behaviour.


Where in the report did you read that?

No doubt this continued and the victim gave in.


I'm sure Mr "still shocked and angry" still has plenty of time to
challenge the FPN and have his day in court if he feels he has
suffered an injustice.

Calum
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Old December 1st 08, 05:39 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
David Hansen
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:12:53 -0800 (PST) someone who may be calum
wrote this:-

The report reports the claims of the police. That does not prove
that he was not showing *any* lights.


The report reports the claims of both sides.


I didn't claim otherwise.

But most likely, given his acceptance of a fixed penalty, that he
failed to display lights at night.


You think? Personally I think that it is the threatening words and
behaviour.

The police had already used threatening words and behaviour.


Where in the report did you read that?


The police undoubtedly used threatening words in their attempts to
make their victim provide information he did not have to provide.
The threatening words undoubtedly involved threats of arrest at the
roadside. The threatening behaviour included assaulting the victim
by placing him in handcuffs, taking him to a police station and
putting him in a cell. There were undoubtedly threatening words
during and after this too.



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