Uninsured motorists.

"Mentalguy2k8" wrote in message
...


I'm not sure whether the Police could catch and prosecute any uninsured
drivers without using methods that people like you are vehemently opposed
to. Roadblocks? ANPR technology? Fixed/mobile cameras? Reported by
neighbours? Surely uninsured drivers have the right not to be
photographed, searched for on a database or stopped by the Police for a
documentation check. Or do you agree with those methods because they are
catching people who are committing offences that you don't like?

Mentalist gets it wrong again. What you are proposing is the surveillance
of *innocent* people. But then dishonesty to you comes second nature,
doesn't it.

"Doug" wrote in message
...
People complain that cyclists have no insurance but what about
motorists, who are much more dangerous?

"A suburb of Bradford is named today as the 'uninsured driving capital
of Britain' with nearly half the motorists there driving illegally
without cover.

It is a crime and it is no coincidence that the area also has a 'well above
average' level of crime in general. Oddly enough, criminals do not observe
some laws and not others..

Colin Bignell

Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:41:35 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 06:48, Tom Crispin
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:22:31 +0100, "Graculus"

wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message
...
People complain that cyclists have no insurance but what about
motorists, who are much more dangerous?
What about them? I imagine your opinions of such people is not much
different from the majority (for a change). They are committing a
criminal offence, and deserve to be caught and punished.
The average £200 fine for driving uninsured is cheaper than the
average insurance premium of £400.

And what happens to their unfortunate victims who cannot claim
compensation after their lives are wrecked?
they claim from the motor insurance bureau

Not the first £300.

The victim of an uninsured motorist faces a stiffer penalty than the
average uninsured motorist.

It is inarguable by reasonable people that some reform is needed for
dealing with motorists who drive without insurance.

Cutting off the goolies of uninsured drivers is a solution of which I
am sure we can find a consensus.

There are a couple of problems with that
1/ You can only do it once
2/ That will not help get the initial £300 to the victim.

Perhaps holding the knife until he produces the £300 (in cash)

--

Tony Dragon

In article , Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:22:31 +0100, "Graculus"
wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
...
People complain that cyclists have no insurance but what about
motorists, who are much more dangerous?

What about them? I imagine your opinions of such people is not much
different from the majority (for a change). They are committing a criminal
offence, and deserve to be caught and punished.

The average £200 fine for driving uninsured is cheaper than the
average insurance premium of £400.

Though according to Radio 4 recently the uninsured driver will also
have their car confiscated and will have to prove they have bought
insurance before they can get it back.

(What stops them cancelling it and getting most of their money back
immediately afterwards, if anything, wasn't mentioned, apart from the
claim that there are lots of number plate recognition cameras everywhere,
and therefore anyone driving without insurance is bound to be caught.
You can buy a car for less than £200, but if you get caught more than
once a year, it isn't worth it. On the other hand insurance for a young
driver can be a hell of a lot more than £400.)

Doug wrote:

People complain that cyclists have no insurance but what about
motorists, who are much more dangerous?

Using a car on the road without insurance is crime.

What would you do to solve the problem?



--
Paul - xxx

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi
Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp

On 25 Sep, 08:07, Tom Crispin
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:41:35 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:



Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 06:48, Tom Crispin
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:22:31 +0100, "Graculus"

wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message
....
People complain that cyclists have no insurance but what about
motorists, who are much more dangerous?

What about them? I imagine your opinions of such people is not much
different from the majority (for a change). They are committing a
criminal offence, and deserve to be caught and punished.

The average £200 fine for driving uninsured is cheaper than the
average insurance premium of £400.

And what happens to their unfortunate victims who cannot claim
compensation after their lives are wrecked?

they claim from the motor insurance bureau

Not the first £300.

The victim of an uninsured motorist faces a stiffer penalty than the
average uninsured motorist.

It is inarguable by reasonable people that some reform is needed for
dealing with motorists who drive without insurance.

Cutting off the goolies of uninsured drivers is a solution of which I
am sure we can find a consensus.

I am in favour of a lifetime driving ban, the ignoring of which is
punishable by increasingly lengthy prison sentences.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

"Col Colt" writes:

How the **** does that get the victim is £300 back? What you want is a
system that is impossible to evade. What is the one thing you must have if
you have a car? Fuel. So scrap the requirement to have insurance and put a
massive levy on fuel to fund a centralised universal insurance scheme.

You neglect the effect of moral hazard.


-dan

Col Colt wrote:
"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
...
they claim from the motor insurance bureau
Not the first £300.

The victim of an uninsured motorist faces a stiffer penalty than the
average uninsured motorist.

It is inarguable by reasonable people that some reform is needed for
dealing with motorists who drive without insurance.

Cutting off the goolies of uninsured drivers is a solution of which I
am sure we can find a consensus.

How the **** does that get the victim is £300 back? What you want is a
system that is impossible to evade. What is the one thing you must have if
you have a car? Fuel. So scrap the requirement to have insurance and put a
massive levy on fuel to fund a centralised universal insurance scheme.



17 year old with a Scooby just 'cos he can afford the petrol?

Hmm, maybe not.

--

Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts.

Alan Braggins wrote:
In article , Tom Crispin
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:22:31 +0100, "Graculus"
wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
...
People complain that cyclists have no insurance but what about
motorists, who are much more dangerous?

What about them? I imagine your opinions of such people is not much
different from the majority (for a change). They are committing a
criminal offence, and deserve to be caught and punished.

The average £200 fine for driving uninsured is cheaper than the
average insurance premium of £400.

Though according to Radio 4 recently the uninsured driver will also
have their car confiscated and will have to prove they have bought
insurance before they can get it back.

(What stops them cancelling it and getting most of their money back
immediately afterwards, if anything, wasn't mentioned, apart from the
claim that there are lots of number plate recognition cameras
everywhere, and therefore anyone driving without insurance is bound
to be caught.
You can buy a car for less than £200, but if you get caught more than
once a year, it isn't worth it. On the other hand insurance for a
young driver can be a hell of a lot more than £400.)

I drive in an area littered with anpr cameras, I found out when trying to
get a tax that none of my cars were on the database, yet in several months I
had not been stopped.

"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:41:35 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 06:48, Tom Crispin
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:22:31 +0100, "Graculus"

wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message
...
People complain that cyclists have no insurance but what about
motorists, who are much more dangerous?

What about them? I imagine your opinions of such people is not much
different from the majority (for a change). They are committing a
criminal offence, and deserve to be caught and punished.

The average £200 fine for driving uninsured is cheaper than the
average insurance premium of £400.

And what happens to their unfortunate victims who cannot claim
compensation after their lives are wrecked?

they claim from the motor insurance bureau

Not the first £300.

The victim of an uninsured motorist faces a stiffer penalty than the
average uninsured motorist.

This includes the victim also losing his NCB.