RIP the 81 year old mown down on a crossing by a cyclist

On 25/03/2013 18:39, Major Scott wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:04:29 -0000, Dave - Cyclists VOHR
wrote:

On 25/03/2013 13:15, Major Scott wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:12:05 -0000, Mentalguy2k8
wrote:


"Major Scott" wrote in message
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Trollin', trollin', trollin'
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Rawhide!

You do realise this makes YOU look childish?

No it doesn't, it makes him bloody funny. Best **** take for a while!

Spouting childish insults could be done by computer program, it requires
no intelligence, you chavvy headlice breeding streak of ****.


"Spouting childish insults could be done by computer program, it
requires no intelligence, you chavvy headlice breeding streak of ****".

Thanks for confirming you have no intelligence.

We didn't need confirmation.



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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:57:18 -0000, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 25/03/2013 18:39, Major Scott wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:04:29 -0000, Dave - Cyclists VOHR
wrote:

On 25/03/2013 13:15, Major Scott wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:12:05 -0000, Mentalguy2k8
wrote:


"Major Scott" wrote in message
news
Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Trollin', trollin', trollin'

Rawhide!

You do realise this makes YOU look childish?

No it doesn't, it makes him bloody funny. Best **** take for a while!

Spouting childish insults could be done by computer program, it requires
no intelligence, you chavvy headlice breeding streak of ****.


"Spouting childish insults could be done by computer program, it
requires no intelligence, you chavvy headlice breeding streak of ****".

Thanks for confirming you have no intelligence.

We didn't need confirmation.

Mental note - Dave also lacks a sense of humour - more evidence of being a computer program.

--
"Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts."

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:41:05 +0000, Mrcheerful wrote:

"An elderly man who was knocked down by a cyclist has died.

The 81-year-old pedestrian suffered serious head injuries after
colliding with the 22-year-old cyclist.

That is awful, but I think the truth is that the bicyclist collided with
the pedestrian.

There needs to be a 'causing death by reckless cycling' law.

Is there not already a law of manslaughter?

On 25/03/2013 22:18, Peter Keller wrote:

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:41:05 +0000, Mrcheerful wrote:

"An elderly man who was knocked down by a cyclist has died.

The 81-year-old pedestrian suffered serious head injuries after
colliding with the 22-year-old cyclist.

That is awful, but I think the truth is that the bicyclist collided with
the pedestrian.

There needs to be a 'causing death by reckless cycling' law.

Is there not already a law of manslaughter?

The offence of "causing death by dangerous driving" was created because
juries were reluctant to return guilty verdicts on manslaughter cases
arising out of traffic incidents ("There, but for the grace of God...").

Later, the lesser offence of "causing death by careless driving" was
created for the same sort of reason.

If drivers involved in fatal accidents are not routinely charged with
manslaughter (that being because the legal system does not wish to
frighten juries), it's hard to see why a parallel set of provisions
shouldn't apply to causing death (of someone else) when cycling.

On 26/03/2013 20:27, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Mentalguy2k8" considered Mon, 25 Mar 2013
15:32:44 -0000 the perfect time to write:


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On Monday, March 25, 2013 12:37:23 PM UTC+1, Simon Weissel wrote:


But the national cycling group, the CTC, argues this [new law] is

unnecessary given that courts have used the 1861 act in the last decade

to jail two cyclists who killed pedestrians, while drivers who kill

cyclists routinely receive non-custodial sentences.


If it's the case that no drivers have been jailed in the last decade for
killing a cyclist, then I agree it is a shocking state of affairs.
However, if that's not the case, then the above argument is cherrypicking
vs. generalisation, and as such is worthless.

Routinely receive non-custodial sentences? Routinely?

http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=72412
A motorist who hit and killed a teenage cyclist while texting on her mobile
phone has been jailed for four years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1560600.html
A drunk driver who was four times over the limit and speeding when he mowed
down and killed a cyclist was yesterday jailed at the Old Bailey for nine
months.

http://road.cc/content/news/73167-br...led-four-years
Two motorists whose high-speed race through Bradford at speeds of up to 80
miles an hour led to the death of a cyclist in September 2011 have each been
jailed for four years at Bradford Crown Court.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/moto...eath-1-3706216
A motorist who caused the death of a cyclist by failing to stop at traffic
lights has been jailed for 20 weeks.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...s-evans-25132/
A teenage motorist from Cambridgeshire has been jailed for 21 months for
causing the death of cyclist Major Gareth Rhys-Evans.

In all those (carefully cherry-picked) cases the driver was jailed,
not for their having killed, but for their other behaviour which was
only highlighted because of the fact that they killed.

It is a disgrace that such dangerous drivers only get properly dealt
with after killing, when is is abundantly clear that their behaviour
was already dangerous, well before it resulted in a death.

Without wishing to sound like one of the resident trolls, you could
argue exactly the same about cyclists, particularly when they ride on
pavements or jump red lights.

Also, without wishing to understate the danger of driving a heavy motor
vehicle at speed without due care and taking proper responsibility,
riding 200lbs of bike and rider into another person at a relatively low
speed can also cause serious injury or death.

I would agree though, that the penalties for the offences are
considerably low and it is only when they actually kill someone that the
offence is taken seriously.

This also applies to pavement cycling. Most of the time the offence is
ignored. Kill someone and it all becomes a different matter.

Texting while driving. You see it all the while but if you kill someone
while you are doing it they throw the book at you.