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http://ktla.com/2018/04/11/1-person-...n-crash-video/
Video is dramatic. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:29:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
Video is dramatic. Never been to LA; looking at this and related articles it seems that similar rageful inidents are on the upswing. We've had an increase in car-pedestrian collisions locally. I am not sure if we've seenthe same intentional harming by drivers but there have been a number of well-publicized hit-and-runs. A few years ago a law was passed requiring drivers to stop for pedestrians in crosswalks, whether marked as such or not. When walking I find that feels much less safe because some cars stop and some don't. The law was well-intentioned and aimed at reducing injuries, but it seems to have had the opposite effect. There's been something of an upswing in car-pedestrian injuries in particular. Car-bike injuries are less frequent and it's harder to identify trends with (thankfully) few data points- just one such accident increases or decreases the numbers by 20-25%. Good if we can keep it that way. https://tinyurl.com/stpaulcar-ped-bike Looking at the LA story, it seems as though the driver left the scene and then came back, speeding through a red light and striking the victim as well as nearly striking others. Does that make it intentional under the law (vehicular assault or something like that)? I know nothing about California law. I also question the vigil blocking the public throughfare. Seems to me that the point of the vigil could be made without that. Dunno, I guess I am inclined to support civil disobedience rather than civil disruption. We had some of that a couple of years ago with a prolonged Black Lives Matter protest in front of the governor's mansion. That was fine and I thought effective as well (although I know many people who were annoyed by it and thought it should have been suppressed after a day or two, which I didn't understand- it's the protesters' time to do with as they choose); subsequently blocking an interstate highway in protest was not (that highway has a troublesome history within the local black community, so I get why the action was taken but IMHO it was not helpful to their cause to do so). |
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On 4/13/2018 11:57 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:29:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Video is dramatic. Never been to LA; looking at this and related articles it seems that similar rageful inidents are on the upswing. We've had an increase in car-pedestrian collisions locally. I am not sure if we've seenthe same intentional harming by drivers but there have been a number of well-publicized hit-and-runs. A few years ago a law was passed requiring drivers to stop for pedestrians in crosswalks, whether marked as such or not. When walking I find that feels much less safe because some cars stop and some don't. The law was well-intentioned and aimed at reducing injuries, but it seems to have had the opposite effect. There's been something of an upswing in car-pedestrian injuries in particular. Car-bike injuries are less frequent and it's harder to identify trends with (thankfully) few data points- just one such accident increases or decreases the numbers by 20-25%. Good if we can keep it that way. https://tinyurl.com/stpaulcar-ped-bike Looking at the LA story, it seems as though the driver left the scene and then came back, speeding through a red light and striking the victim as well as nearly striking others. Does that make it intentional under the law (vehicular assault or something like that)? I know nothing about California law. I also question the vigil blocking the public throughfare. Seems to me that the point of the vigil could be made without that. Dunno, I guess I am inclined to support civil disobedience rather than civil disruption. We had some of that a couple of years ago with a prolonged Black Lives Matter protest in front of the governor's mansion. That was fine and I thought effective as well (although I know many people who were annoyed by it and thought it should have been suppressed after a day or two, which I didn't understand- it's the protesters' time to do with as they choose); subsequently blocking an interstate highway in protest was not (that highway has a troublesome history within the local black community, so I get why the action was taken but IMHO it was not helpful to their cause to do so). Out here in the real world, every solution brings its own new problems: https://nltimes.nl/2018/04/13/dutch-...fic-assoc-says not just in Minnesota either! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 4/13/2018 12:57 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
There's been something of an upswing in car-pedestrian injuries in particular. Car-bike injuries are less frequent and it's harder to identify trends with (thankfully) few data points- just one such accident increases or decreases the numbers by 20-25%. Good if we can keep it that way. https://tinyurl.com/stpaulcar-ped-bike So 36 pedestrian injuries plus one pedestrian fatality, vs. 4 cyclist injuries and no fatalities. Yet lots of people are afraid to ride a bike, and almost none are afraid to walk. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 3:53:21 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
So 36 pedestrian injuries plus one pedestrian fatality, vs. 4 cyclist injuries and no fatalities. Yet lots of people are afraid to ride a bike, and almost none are afraid to walk. -- - Frank Krygowski Similar. The murderous Second Amendment gun nuts could also say the vast majority of gun deaths in the USA are from suicide. NOT from the murderous Chicago gangsters murdering the good, saintly caucasians on their way to church every day. There are twice, double, 200% as many people killed by guns from suicide than murdered by guns. But we must have guns to protect ourselves from the murderous thugs, despite there is twice, double, 200% as much chance that you, your wife, child will put the gun in their mouth and blow their head off. |
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On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 8:27:56 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
Oh by the way Chicago had roughly as meany deaths by Heroin as gunshots in 2016 and 2017. Wanna ban Heroin? Oh, right we're working on that- for the past 100 years or so. Stay tuned. So do you want heroin to be legally sold in groceries? Or what? - Frank Krygowski |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 18:35:43 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: So do you want heroin to be legally sold in groceries? Or what? I want it sold in the pharmacy, where people sign for it the way I used to sign for paregoric before the people who should all be staked out on anthills with a bottle of ant repellant just out of reach decided that I should spend one day in twenty-eight in bed. Note: paregoric is so dilute that after it was made a prescription drug, the first doctor I asked refused on the grounds that I would throw up before I could ingest enough to do me any good, and prescribed morphine instead. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net |
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On 4/13/2018 8:35 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 8:27:56 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote: Oh by the way Chicago had roughly as meany deaths by Heroin as gunshots in 2016 and 2017. Wanna ban Heroin? Oh, right we're working on that- for the past 100 years or so. Stay tuned. So do you want heroin to be legally sold in groceries? Or what? News flash to Frank - any grocery parking lot. I'm just duly noting the limits of legislative attempts to form or change society. Perhaps a better example might elucidate the point- how much does Ohio garner from the Use Tax? Do you file every month? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 10:28:09 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/13/2018 8:35 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: So do you want heroin to be legally sold in groceries? Or what? News flash to Frank - any grocery parking lot. "... legally sold ..."? I think not. I'm just duly noting the limits of legislative attempts to form or change society. We know that there are limits. No laws are obeyed 100%. And there's always the possibility of better laws. But I don't think that justifies removing all laws, or permitting open sale of opioids. - Frank Krygowski |
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