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Steel is Real and Carbon is Lighter
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 5:37:49 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote: Sipped What is the deal with handlebar bags these days... Snipped And what goes in a handlebar bag for the usual out and back ride on a sunny day? Slide rule? Shower slippers? I'm going to stop one of those bearded guys and ask him to show me what's in his handlebar bag. It's probably and after-ride kilt or a knit cap. Enquiring minds want to know! -- Jay Beattie. Hey, I like my handlebar bag. I have it mounted on a cutdown handlebar fitted to a threadless stem that is then mounted to my seatpost. I can vcarry my repair kit, spare tubes, snacks, spare bottles of water or Powerade and my rain jacket in that bag. I don't have anyone who can come and get me I need a ride thus I like to be totally self reliant on the road or trails. https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...57662865565180 Cheers But that's functionally an over-grown seat pack. The guys I see often have retro handlebar bags, like the cotton-duck darlings sold by Jan Heine. And the handlebar bags are often on very high-end racing-ish bikes. I'm also amazed because the handlebar bag-thing occurred over night. I felt like I missed the memo. I ride short trails and know nothing about epic Joergian trail riding with panniers filled with water and a heart lung machine. On the road, I've never used a handlebar bag except on tour, and then I usually used a front rack and low-riders. Not that handlebar bags are bad, but low-riders are better, IMO. Anyway, for normal weekend riding, I just stuff things in my jersey pockets and carry a modest seatpack and clown pump. I've gotten a ride home from my wife once -- and that's when I broke a chain commuting. I've scootered home/pedaled one-legged almost 15 miles when I broke a crank -- and lesser miles when I broke the other five or six cranks, two pedals, handlebars, seat post, a chain (on tour -- fixed by shortening) etc., etc. I almost broke a Cannondale frame in half and rode it home -- and a steel frame that broke at the seattube/BB. Now that I think about it, it takes a lot to entirely kill a bike. Even a taco'd wheel can be beaten round enough to get home usually. Full disclosu I also called my wife when I cartwheeled over my son and broke my hand and banged myself up, but I still rode five miles to the pick-up spot. I've got a dandy plate in my hand now. Shifting SRAM Red with a fractured right hand is no fun. That's why everyone should have Di2. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 6/18/2019 8:26 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 5:37:49 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote: Sipped What is the deal with handlebar bags these days... Snipped And what goes in a handlebar bag for the usual out and back ride on a sunny day? Slide rule? Shower slippers? I'm going to stop one of those bearded guys and ask him to show me what's in his handlebar bag. It's probably and after-ride kilt or a knit cap. Enquiring minds want to know! -- Jay Beattie. Hey, I like my handlebar bag. I have it mounted on a cutdown handlebar fitted to a threadless stem that is then mounted to my seatpost. I can vcarry my repair kit, spare tubes, snacks, spare bottles of water or Powerade and my rain jacket in that bag. I don't have anyone who can come and get me I need a ride thus I like to be totally self reliant on the road or trails. https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...57662865565180 Cheers But that's functionally an over-grown seat pack. The guys I see often have retro handlebar bags, like the cotton-duck darlings sold by Jan Heine. And the handlebar bags are often on very high-end racing-ish bikes. I'm also amazed because the handlebar bag-thing occurred over night. I felt like I missed the memo. I ride short trails and know nothing about epic Joergian trail riding with panniers filled with water and a heart lung machine. On the road, I've never used a handlebar bag except on tour, and then I usually used a front rack and low-riders. Not that handlebar bags are bad, but low-riders are better, IMO. Anyway, for normal weekend riding, I just stuff things in my jersey pockets and carry a modest seatpack and clown pump. I've gotten a ride home from my wife once -- and that's when I broke a chain commuting. I've scootered home/pedaled one-legged almost 15 miles when I broke a crank -- and lesser miles when I broke the other five or six cranks, two pedals, handlebars, seat post, a chain (on tour -- fixed by shortening) etc., etc. I almost broke a Cannondale frame in half and rode it home -- and a steel frame that broke at the seattube/BB. Now that I think about it, it takes a lot to entirely kill a bike. Even a taco'd wheel can be beaten round enough to get home usually. Full disclosu I also called my wife when I cartwheeled over my son and broke my hand and banged myself up, but I still rode five miles to the pick-up spot. I've got a dandy plate in my hand now. Shifting SRAM Red with a fractured right hand is no fun. That's why everyone should have Di2. -- Jay Beattie. Ouch that's horrible - double tap shifter with a hand fracture. I did mine on[1] my fixie, tucked it inside my coat[2] and rode on with only minimal discomfort. [1] actually when it broke when I was just off the bike. [2] as The Little Corporal if he had a fixie instead of a horse. https://a.1stdibscdn.com/archivesE/u..._1_of_5__z.jpg -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 6/18/2019 5:15 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 12:46:59 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: Snipped And if someone's not racing? To me, finishing a "training" ride or a recreational ride ten seconds earlier is of no value whatsoever. In fact, if my fenders or handlebar bag make me finish five minutes later, they're still a net benefit. -- - Frank Krygowski That's you Frank. However to a lot of riders who enjoy riding fast and pushing their limits a ten seconds difference is quite rewarding. For a long time I enjoyed informally competing against friends, seeing who would be first to the top of a hill, or to the city limit, or whatever. I did some low-level time trials. I did rides of 130 to 200 miles. I used to time trial home from work, trying to get a low elapsed time. All that can be fun. But if a friend had consistently beaten me to the city limit by a few yards, then I bought an expensive super-aero bike and beat him next time, it wouldn't feel like much of a triumph to me. Not that I would expect it to work even that dramatically. I remember many years ago when my best friend bought his high end Giant carbon fiber bike "to beat Frank up the hills," as he said. He expressed a lot of disappointment after our next long, hilly ride. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 6/18/2019 6:42 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 2:15:46 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 12:46:59 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: Snipped And if someone's not racing? To me, finishing a "training" ride or a recreational ride ten seconds earlier is of no value whatsoever. In fact, if my fenders or handlebar bag make me finish five minutes later, they're still a net benefit. -- - Frank Krygowski That's you Frank. However to a lot of riders who enjoy riding fast and pushing their limits a ten seconds difference is quite rewarding. What is the deal with handlebar bags these days -- and beards or goatees on anyone over 55? Its like a Portland meme. I hope Frank doesn't have a beard. It would be too much. And what goes in a handlebar bag for the usual out and back ride on a sunny day? Slide rule? Shower slippers? I'm going to stop one of those bearded guys and ask him to show me what's in his handlebar bag. It's probably and after-ride kilt or a knit cap. Enquiring minds want to know! OK, I just did an inventory for you. This is from the touring bike, which is what I most often ride on solo recreational rides. First, the bike's parked now, and there are things in the bag that are just stored there now but will be used or worn when riding. That's the cycling cap, riding gloves and eyeglass mirror. There are a couple safety pins, because I ride pretty frequently in regular clothes and have to pin my pants cuffs to keep them out of the chain. There are tools: an old Mafac tool pouch with a few tiny tools, some Mafac some not. There's also a new multitool, so I could probably lose a couple grams of the old tools. There's a tube, a patch kit and tire irons. A tiny bottle from eyedrops that contains maybe 2 ml of oil, and a spare shifter cable. A mini tube of hand cleaner and some paper towels. A micro-flashlight in case I flat at night. A lightweight cable lock. A few snack items: a small bag of raisins, one envelope of sports gel, a few restaurant packs of honey, and a few of mustard because I've had soem trouble with cramps. Oh, and a tea bag in foil because I've come across restaurants that don't carry real tea. There's a pen, and a couple of lawyer Steve Magas's cards with abbreviated versions of our state's bike laws. Those are in case I get stopped by an ignorant cop. Here are the quirkier items: A fabric case from my small binoculars, because it's the perfect size to hold my cell phone, wallet and keys as I ride, and I can easily grab it to take into a restaurant or store. There's a tiny compass and thermometer, zipper-pull size. There's a monocular that I use for wildlife and at least once or twice, for navigation while on tour - as in "Which road is that up ahead?". And there's a take-apart pennywhistle. It's one of the instruments I play. There's a can of Halt clipped to the outside of the bag. All that comes to 2.5 pounds. The bag is pretty large, and it's my own design and build. So is the one on my utility/commuting/shopping bike. But there's one on every bike I own, with the others being pretty standard commercial ones. I find these bags very handy. They carry stuff home from stores, they stash jackets and sweaters and tights and arm warmers when things warm up or may cool down. They have carried library books, take-out sandwiches, rain clothing, maps, guidebooks, cameras, found tools and more. I still remember when a good cycling friend showed up (in his car) to show off his brand new custom framed bike. As we were getting ready to take a ride together, he said "Can you carry my jacket for me?" I guess that's what guys without bags do? Besides greatly restricting the practical use of their bikes, that is. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 10:22:24 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/18/2019 5:15 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 12:46:59 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: Snipped And if someone's not racing? To me, finishing a "training" ride or a recreational ride ten seconds earlier is of no value whatsoever. In fact, if my fenders or handlebar bag make me finish five minutes later, they're still a net benefit. -- - Frank Krygowski That's you Frank. However to a lot of riders who enjoy riding fast and pushing their limits a ten seconds difference is quite rewarding. For a long time I enjoyed informally competing against friends, seeing who would be first to the top of a hill, or to the city limit, or whatever. I did some low-level time trials. I did rides of 130 to 200 miles. I used to time trial home from work, trying to get a low elapsed time. All that can be fun. But if a friend had consistently beaten me to the city limit by a few yards, then I bought an expensive super-aero bike and beat him next time, it wouldn't feel like much of a triumph to me. Not that I would expect it to work even that dramatically. I remember many years ago when my best friend bought his high end Giant carbon fiber bike "to beat Frank up the hills," as he said. He expressed a lot of disappointment after our next long, hilly ride. -- - Frank Krygowski Did e tell you that you should be entering some of the Grand Tours too? Cheers |
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On 6/18/2019 6:42 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 2:15:46 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 12:46:59 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: Snipped And if someone's not racing? To me, finishing a "training" ride or a recreational ride ten seconds earlier is of no value whatsoever. In fact, if my fenders or handlebar bag make me finish five minutes later, they're still a net benefit. -- - Frank Krygowski That's you Frank. However to a lot of riders who enjoy riding fast and pushing their limits a ten seconds difference is quite rewarding. What is the deal with handlebar bags these days -- and beards or goatees on anyone over 55? Its like a Portland meme. I hope Frank doesn't have a beard. It would be too much. Of course I have a beard! What sort of insanity would expect a man to take a sharp instrument to his face at some ungodly hour of the morning? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 10:55:18 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Snipped I still remember when a good cycling friend showed up (in his car) to show off his brand new custom framed bike. As we were getting ready to take a ride together, he said "Can you carry my jacket for me?" I guess that's what guys without bags do? Besides greatly restricting the practical use of their bikes, that is. -- - Frank Krygowski A lot of bicyclists would simply fold/roll their cycling jacket up and stick it in a jersey pocket or strap it under their saddle or saddle bag. You have very interesting bicycling companions. VBEG Cheers |
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On 6/18/2019 1:24 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 9:49:50 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: For ordinary riding? No, most tiny improvements make no noticeable difference. Even though we all know the near-magic power of red paint. What is a "tiny improvement"? The frame on my Emonda probably weighs less than the Columbus steel forks off my last custom racing bike. Those things were suitable for clubbing baby harp seals or home defense. Weight and stiffness do matter when climbing. If we're talking about aero bits, that's harder call -- except that dopes on aero bars riding in packs can result in a massive worsening of your riding experience. Wearing aero shoe covers may keep your feet warmer on chilly mornings, which might make you faster. It all adds up. Stiffness probably does not make a detectable difference, unless the frame is so flexible that things are scraping. Remember the discussion we had about the bike magazine's test of modern stiff CF frames vs. older, heavier steel frames? The test riders gushed about how the stiffness improved their climbing, but the math showed the speed difference was precisely what would be predicted by the weight difference. Weight matters when climbing. If getting to the top of the hill before your buddy is really, really important, a lighter bike will help by whatever the percent difference in total bike+rider weight. If a 160 pound rider changes his 20 pound bike for an 18 pound bike, he should be about 1% faster up a steep hill. Whoopee! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 9:26:02 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 5:37:49 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote: Sipped What is the deal with handlebar bags these days... Snipped And what goes in a handlebar bag for the usual out and back ride on a sunny day? Slide rule? Shower slippers? I'm going to stop one of those bearded guys and ask him to show me what's in his handlebar bag. It's probably and after-ride kilt or a knit cap. Enquiring minds want to know! -- Jay Beattie. Hey, I like my handlebar bag. I have it mounted on a cutdown handlebar fitted to a threadless stem that is then mounted to my seatpost. I can vcarry my repair kit, spare tubes, snacks, spare bottles of water or Powerade and my rain jacket in that bag. I don't have anyone who can come and get me I need a ride thus I like to be totally self reliant on the road or trails. https://www.flickr.com/photos/738325...57662865565180 Cheers But that's functionally an over-grown seat pack. The guys I see often have retro handlebar bags, like the cotton-duck darlings sold by Jan Heine. And the handlebar bags are often on very high-end racing-ish bikes. I'm also amazed because the handlebar bag-thing occurred over night. I felt like I missed the memo. I ride short trails and know nothing about epic Joergian trail riding with panniers filled with water and a heart lung machine. On the road, I've never used a handlebar bag except on tour, and then I usually used a front rack and low-riders. Not that handlebar bags are bad, but low-riders are better, IMO. Anyway, for normal weekend riding, I just stuff things in my jersey pockets and carry a modest seatpack and clown pump. I've gotten a ride home from my wife once -- and that's when I broke a chain commuting. I've scootered home/pedaled one-legged almost 15 miles when I broke a crank -- and lesser miles when I broke the other five or six cranks, two pedals, handlebars, seat post, a chain (on tour -- fixed by shortening) etc., etc. I almost broke a Cannondale frame in half and rode it home -- and a steel frame that broke at the seattube/BB. Now that I think about it, it takes a lot to entirely kill a bike. Even a taco'd wheel can be beaten round enough to get home usually. Full disclosu I also called my wife when I cartwheeled over my son and broke my hand and banged myself up, but I still rode five miles to the pick-up spot. I've got a dandy plate in my hand now. Shifting SRAM Red with a fractured right hand is no fun. That's why everyone should have Di2. -- Jay Beattie. A handlebar mounted bag is a tad bit easier to get into whilst riding than are panniers on low rider racks. BTW, I like low-rider racks and panniers on the front whenever there's a lot of hill climbing. I find it easier to climb with more of the weight up front and low than in panniers on the rear rack. A handlebar bag is also a great place to stash a camera. I often take pictures even on my out and back rides if I see something interesting. I can't carry much weight in jersey pockets because if I do my lower back soon gets quite sore. That's the main reason I moved my handlebar bag to behind the saddle. Besides, doing that let me mount an extra bottle cage on the handlebar. Mine is mount in the center. Cheers |
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