Who needs EPO?

"Dion Dock" wrote in message
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You bring up an interesting point: why has blood doping fallen out of
fashion? Or has it?

It may not have fallen out of fashion as it is currently not tested for. It
is possible that there might be ways to test for it but, to my knowledge,
there is nothing currently used. EPO use is considerably easier, safer,
requires fewer people to be involved and accomplishes the same thing. Until
recently EPO testing was also problematic. The availability of EPO made
blood boosting less attractive. The new testing for EPO has changed that
so expect changes.
--
Mike Murray

"warren" wrote:
Many are "naturally" well below the limit, say, 38-44, and they could
"artificially" increase their hematocrit up as far as possible to 45-48
and stay under the limit.

They would still be in violation of the rules against blood boosting,
although this would be difficult to detect by testing.
--
Mike Murray

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message link.net...
There are a couple of problems with this theory, however. First, it is
difficult to maintain an artificially expanded plasma volume for more than
24 h or so, as the osmotically active substance that is infused (dextran,
albumin) is rapidly cleared. Thus, while this approach might work for a
one-day event, or to avoid running afoul of the hematocrit limits should a
UCI vampire come knocking, it would be hard to implement e.g., during a
stage race. Second, since stroke volume does not increase in trained
subjects when total blood volume is increased via infusion of a plasma
volume substitute, it is hard to envision a mechanism by which this approach
would be physiological beneficial.

Andy Coggan

What is it that alows us to naturally level out with a certain plasma
volume...something other than albumin? Maybe a protein free dyalisate
of calf's blood?

Anyway, if money is no object, what's to stop someone from pulling out
a few units, and putting them back in after breakfast? Why is it that
some riders' weights deviate so wildly? The hematocrit tests are
always done first thing in the morning.

Conspiracy theories are always fun.

In article ,
Steve McGinty wrote:

I tracked down a copy and I think the voice is Alan Parry, who by
coincedence was commentating on the Weltklasse meet from Zurich last
night.

I'd forgotten how good Bill Nelson and Be Bop Deluxe were.

Regards!
Stephen

BBD were quite good, but I preferred (by a small degreee) the sort-of follow
up band, Bill Nelson's Red Noise. Either way, it was cool stuff.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Better a lapdog for a slip of a girl than a ... git." Blackadder

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article , Dan
wrote:

warren wrote in message
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49% is too risky when you know that dehydration can pop you over the
limit. Every rider knows they'll be tested before the Tour begins so
it's prudent to make certain they'll qualify. I did notice that the
average of the results taken later in the race did not show much
decline. IOW, the average didn't seem to decline as much as we might
expect. To me this implied that the average was raised artificially.

-WG

wasn't the average down to 43% or something this year?

I think at the start the aaverage for all riders was something around
45 and then went down only one or two points among the riders who were
tested about 2 weeks into the Tour. Perhaps the number more interesting
than the average is seeing who was at 47-49 at the start and then how
much it changed during the race.

-WG

It seems that an increase in plasma of that amount would risk the
athelete stroking out.

Dan wrote:

"Dion Dock" wrote in message ...


You bring up an interesting point: why has blood doping fallen out of
fashion? Or has it?

-Dion




Doctors could have realized greater performace from increased total
red cell volume by raising plasma volume (artificially) to match
pre-boost crits.

"Andy Coggan" ...
"Ken Papai" [email protected]@sccrnsc04...

Blood-boosted with his own blood that was "months old?"
I doubt it. 3-4 weeks is all whole blood lasts.

Which is why initial scientific studies of so-called blood doping
generally
yielded negative results. It was only after the high glycerol freeze
technique was invented that RBCs (not whole blood) could be stored long

No argument from me since this supposed bogus incident
occurred in 1984,

enough for a subject to regenerate that which was removed, such that
reinfusion of the stored RBCs resulted in an increase in hematocrit.
Studies
using this method have consistently found increases in VO2max, etc.

Andy Coggan