Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks

On Apr 21, 5:53 pm, Eric Vey wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote:

I simply quoted that article, but I share his concern. Settling
something with a finger or a gun are two different things.

The result of the equation above is that people are exposed to a real
threat, particularly if they assert their right with a finger. And
while few people actually get shot, the rest of the population live in
fear. Particularly the cyclists.

And we would have to start with changing the laws of the republic...

Florida gives you an option to deal with this:http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

That's the only option left... In the jungle, if everybody got paws
and teeth, you better get ready yourself.

Only that it's kind of impractical for cyclists to carry a gun under a
lycra short. But then you can wear a T-shirt like this...

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954...83217745636359

On Apr 21, 10:57*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:52:14 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:19:50 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:

And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
has had the bike riders bully them.

I have never seen that - ever! Some cyclists are stupid as hell and
therefore do stupid things, but a cyclist is no match for anyone driving
a
motor vehicle.
[...]

As retarded and arrogant as you have shown yourself to be, your denial
is observed with amused contempt.

A cyclist is no match for a motor vehicle. *Gee Edtard..Im glad we
finally agree on something.

You god damn ****ing asshole - I will never agree with you about anything!

So then you are claiming that bikes are more than a match for a motor
vehicle in a collision?
Intersting. Revist my comments about the laws of physics.

You have ever proven yourself to be a murderer at heart who wants to run
over cyclists and children if they get in the way of your god damn ****ing
truck.

Your attitude has given me a different outlook on bike riders and a
bit less concern for their welfare.

What the hell are you doing on cycling newsgroups anyway! Are there no
prison or criminal newsgroups for types like you?

Actually Edtard..Im posting from misc.survivalism. A newsgroup devoted
to all aspects of surviving calamity, both natural and manmade.

Survival, a concept obviously most foreign to you, in your role as
Organ Donor in Waiting.

So Edtard..why are you posting to misc.survivalism, when the subject
never crosses your mind?

How the **** did a survivalist nut group ever get connected to a cycling
newsgroup? I want to know who is responsible for this sorry state of
affairs. It was not I and apparently it was not Gunner Ass. Some asshole is
****ing everyone!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -

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I had hoped that they could lend some advice on how to survive our
cement jungle on a bike.

What do you need to survive in the jungle?

- Knife (for peeling fruits)

- CD player (to block out noise from roaring lions)

- Toilet paper (often toilets are out of them)

- Lipstics and mirror (ladies only)

- Bananas (to eat, they can be dried)

OK, what else?

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:10:42 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:35:09 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Apr 14, 6:12 pm, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...

NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.

That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
gutters and sidewalks.

WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

BIKE FOR PEACEhttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
An irate driver ran over a bicyclist in southern Illinois in the
mid-90's.
Yes and?

A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
mother and child in the same time period.

What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.

When did Schwinn make motorcycles?

As far as I know, they havent in many many years.

So it was actually a cyclist, and not a biker then?

Yes. Bike rider.

I doubt the individual was riding one of these...

http://www.motosolvang.com/bike_page...nn_Whizzer.htm

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:15:18 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
wrote:

On Apr 21, 10:57*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

...





On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:52:14 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:19:50 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:

And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
has had the bike riders bully them.

I have never seen that - ever! Some cyclists are stupid as hell and
therefore do stupid things, but a cyclist is no match for anyone driving
a
motor vehicle.
[...]

As retarded and arrogant as you have shown yourself to be, your denial
is observed with amused contempt.

A cyclist is no match for a motor vehicle. *Gee Edtard..Im glad we
finally agree on something.

You god damn ****ing asshole - I will never agree with you about anything!

So then you are claiming that bikes are more than a match for a motor
vehicle in a collision?
Intersting. Revist my comments about the laws of physics.

You have ever proven yourself to be a murderer at heart who wants to run
over cyclists and children if they get in the way of your god damn ****ing
truck.

Your attitude has given me a different outlook on bike riders and a
bit less concern for their welfare.

What the hell are you doing on cycling newsgroups anyway! Are there no
prison or criminal newsgroups for types like you?

Actually Edtard..Im posting from misc.survivalism. A newsgroup devoted
to all aspects of surviving calamity, both natural and manmade.

Survival, a concept obviously most foreign to you, in your role as
Organ Donor in Waiting.

So Edtard..why are you posting to misc.survivalism, when the subject
never crosses your mind?

How the **** did a survivalist nut group ever get connected to a cycling
newsgroup? I want to know who is responsible for this sorry state of
affairs. It was not I and apparently it was not Gunner Ass. Some asshole is
****ing everyone!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I had hoped that they could lend some advice on how to survive our
cement jungle on a bike.

What do you need to survive in the jungle?

- Knife (for peeling fruits)

- CD player (to block out noise from roaring lions)

Waste of space and batteries. If you need music, an MP3 player is
much better, and most run off (2) AAA batteries, which may be
recharged from a simple solar cell charger. Best get one with a radio
in it.

- Toilet paper (often toilets are out of them)

- Lipstics and mirror (ladies only)

Chapstick yes, wtf lipstick?????

- Bananas (to eat, they can be dried)

They are good, but not all that good.

OK, what else?

From the Red Cross
http://columbus.redcross.org/guide.html
Fema
http://outlands.tripod.com/survival/fema-215.htm


http://www.survival-center.com/foodfaq/
http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/
http://www.batteryfaq.org/
http://stason.org/TULARC/sports/surv...ter-treatment/
http://botw.org/top/Society/Issues/Survivalism/
https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/i...orage_faqs.htm
http://www.m4040.com/Survival/Skills...er/Shelter.htm
http://survivalcenter.com/UG.html

Urban survival
http://www.instructables.com/id/Urba...allet-Shelter/
http://outdoors-magazine.com/spip.php?article61

Links to survival by the homeless
http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/


Just a few sources of information.

You want to learn? We would be happy to teach you.


Links


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:40:44 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
wrote:

On Apr 21, 5:53 pm, Eric Vey wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote:

I simply quoted that article, but I share his concern. Settling
something with a finger or a gun are two different things.

The result of the equation above is that people are exposed to a real
threat, particularly if they assert their right with a finger. And
while few people actually get shot, the rest of the population live in
fear. Particularly the cyclists.

And we would have to start with changing the laws of the republic...

Florida gives you an option to deal with this:http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

That's the only option left... In the jungle, if everybody got paws
and teeth, you better get ready yourself.

Only that it's kind of impractical for cyclists to carry a gun under a
lycra short. But then you can wear a T-shirt like this...

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954...83217745636359


Actually, a fanny pack designed for weapons carry is far better when
bike riding

http://www.chuckhawks.com/galco_escort_elite.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/concealed_carry.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...al/ai_63922920

Or even an impromptu one.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=rbxcra.2.a.2

Gunner



"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Apr 22, 2:49*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:

What do you need to survive in the jungle?

- Knife (for peeling fruits)

- CD player (to block out noise from roaring lions)

Waste of space and batteries. *If you need music, an MP3 player is
much better, and most run off (2) AAA batteries, which may be
recharged from a simple solar cell charger. *Best get one with a radio
in it.



- Toilet paper (often toilets are out of them)

- Lipstics and mirror (ladies only)

Chapstick yes, wtf lipstick?????

In the cement jungle, ladies do their lips all the time. Too bad if
they don't see the cyclist.



- Bananas (to eat, they can be dried)

They are good, but not all that good.

They say "it's the perfect food"...



OK, what else?

From the Red Crosshttp://columbus.redcross.org/guide.html
Femahttp://outlands.tripod.com/survival/fema-215.htm

http://www.survival-center.com/foodf...er.com/UG.html

Urban survivalhttp://www.instructables.com/id/Urban-Survival:-Build-a-Pallet-Shelter/http://outdoors-magazine.com/spip.php?article61

Links to survival by the homelesshttp://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/

Just a few sources of information.

You want to learn? We would be happy to teach you.

Well, it's always good. I want to dry foods for my canoe trips and
have somewhat successful, but I mostly do daytrips.

On Apr 22, 2:56*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:40:44 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana





wrote:
On Apr 21, 5:53 pm, Eric Vey wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote:

I simply quoted that article, but I share his concern. Settling
something with a finger or a gun are two different things.

The result of the equation above is that people are exposed to a real
threat, particularly if they assert their right with a finger. And
while few people actually get shot, the rest of the population live in
fear. Particularly the cyclists.

And we would have to start with changing the laws of the republic...

Florida gives you an option to deal with this:http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

That's the only option left... In the jungle, if everybody got paws
and teeth, you better get ready yourself.

Only that it's kind of impractical for cyclists to carry a gun under a
lycra short. But then you can wear a T-shirt like this...

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954...83217745636359

Actually, a fanny pack designed for weapons carry is far better when
bike riding

http://www.chuckhawks.com/galco_esco...al/ai_63922920

Or even an impromptu one.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...ual/ai_6162097...


I knew you were the right kind of people when it comes to survival.

You know, originally I was very anti gun, but then I realized that the
Swiss have more guns (not handguns) per capita than America. I think
the real issue is education, but I don't see anything happening in
that front either.

My girlfriend wants a handgun for the overnight canoe trips, but we'll
see. The worst predators out there are not criminals, but speeding
motorboats.

(some interesting stuff about biking in London and America --and what
makes us live by the law of the jungle)

On Apr 21, 11:24 am, "Jeremy Parker"
wrote:
[snip]

Goodness gracious. All this is very un-British. I live, and ride
my
bicycle in London, which seems to be the far-away land that you
are
talking about. London's a pretty good city to ride a bicycle in,
no
need for new laws or conventions.
Oh, c'mon. The article was written by a Briton about Great Britain.

As, indeed, was my previous e-mail. As indeed is this one. I can
look out of my window, right here, at actual London traffic.

I just wanted to know much better was in 1992 when I was there. I
guess that's much better, due to the recent changes introduced.


I've said your driving laws are very good

Thankyou. I missed that posting, I guess. My apologies. What is it
about our laws that impresses you? Are we unique, or do other places
have similar laws?

No, I was indeed teasing you, but a few GOOD SUGGESTIONS are found in
that article. For example, the 20mph limit on the slow lane makes so
much sense. We would start though by explaining to people there's such
a thing as a slow lane.

but I trust the
writer's statement that cyclists still live under the law of the
jungle in London to be right.

Hmm. As one who lives here, and cycles here, I would say that is
unwise. Cycling is safe enough here that, if you do choose to live
by the law of the jungle, your mean free path between collisions
might be long enough for you to get away with it, but it's still not
a good idea.

Things haven't changed here (Miami) in the last 15 years. I don't
think they ever will.

How many people ride bike in London?

The should be new annual figures out any time now - watch for a press
release from Transport for London on their web sitewww.tfl.gov.uk.
Last years figures estimate 480 000 journeys a day. I would guess
that most people take around two journeys a day, rather than getting
on the train with their bike to come home again. Whether this
includes journeys to a train station, I don't know. Most London
statistics count only the "main leg" of a journey, so riding to the
station to catch a train might not be counted

How about BIKE FACILITIES? It seems cyclists still must negotiate the
streets. Copenhagen made bike lanes on major streets lately.

Anyway, I'd rather ride a bike in London than in places where still
the drivers ignore any civilized rules of the road. In America we
have
to tame the beast first.

Having ridden many miles on both sides of th Altlantic, I would say
that there is not much in it, though there are, of course, many
places in the USA where I have not ridden (Chicago, for example).
Civilized or not - that might depend on your definition of civilized,
which doesn't always seem to be the same as everyone's on this
newsgroup - I would say that there always are rules, and when you
ride or bike, or are anywhere among other people, it's advisable to
know what those rules are.

I think the most basic rule of the road is LANE DISCIPLINE, without
which the whole road becomes a zigzagging mess. If we don't have that
we are left with the law of the jungle.


I read the reviews of the book, but I'm sure even bullfighting can
be
done in a safe way if you know the tricks of the trade

[snip]

The moral of which, I take it, is to know the tricks of the trade.
Buy a copy of "Effective Cycling"

I'll check into it. But don't forget here's more bullfighting.

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:10:42 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:35:09 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
[...]
A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
mother and child in the same time period.

What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.

When did Schwinn make motorcycles?
As far as I know, they havent in many many years.

So it was actually a cyclist, and not a biker then?

Yes. Bike rider.

I doubt the individual was riding one of these...

http://www.motosolvang.com/bike_page...nn_Whizzer.htm

With the pedals, more of a moped than a motorcycle?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:46:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:10:42 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:35:09 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
[...]
A biker caused a multicar vehicle accident resulting in the death of a
mother and child in the same time period.

What type of motorcycle was the biker riding?
A Schwinn as I recall, when I worked the accident investigation.

When did Schwinn make motorcycles?
As far as I know, they havent in many many years.

So it was actually a cyclist, and not a biker then?

Yes. Bike rider.

I doubt the individual was riding one of these...

http://www.motosolvang.com/bike_page...nn_Whizzer.htm

With the pedals, more of a moped than a motorcycle?


Shrug..ask the Italians. They pioneered the moped as I recall.

Gunner

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