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Old November 18th 17, 03:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc...1&year2=201710

always anazon

BTW, duzz the Gates need cleaning ? So there's what a chain line reducer ?
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Old November 18th 17, 10:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 2:24:12 AM UTC, wrote:
https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc...1&year2=201710


That says $180 in 1913 is now worth $4531. Lotta bikes today that cost more than that. But in my opinion, a general use bike that cosst more than that is being bought by a cafe racer.

BTW, duzz the Gates need cleaning ? So there's what a chain line reducer ?


A Gates Drive consists of a continuous band with rectangular, squared-off teeth sticking inwards at regular intervals, plus two metal circles with indentations at the same spacing around their circumference to transfer power to and from the belt, one of which is the chainwheel and the other the sprocket. That's it. There's no derailleur, no jockey wheel(s), no way of adjusting the tension: the bike must be built precisely to the right drive length for the Gates belt, and the belt has to run within its tension tolerances for it's entire life. It is possible that Gates, coming from automobiles where a high-revving engine can trash it's valves and cams if the timing chain is just slightly wayward, set the tolerances tighter for the bicycle application than necessary. Andrew Muzi was implying yesterday that the Gates belt has enough tolerance to survive the jokers who set the belt tension wrong, and people with track (longitudinally slotted) or Rolloff-style frame-ends can presumably slide the rear axle and with it the sprocket a fraction backwards or forwards to alter the belt tension.

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Old November 18th 17, 01:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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4500 is a wad of disposable sports outflow

interesting finding a revolution happening

https://www.google.com/search?ei=QCI....B9E Qn_J1FJ4

https://www.google.com/search?ei=GiI....0.DoU70om_8v8

what manufacturers are mounting Gates ?

a toothbrush n soap, gears last forever like the Rollout/Shimano rear gearbox

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Old November 19th 17, 06:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Both the Pope automobile and the Pope bicycle were made and priced as rich men's toys, before cars and bikes became commodities. The Pope was a quality vehicle and was supposedly a lot more dependable than many other cars of the time.

Interestingly (for any of you who are ham radio operators), Hiram Percy Maxim, W1AW (the founder of the American Radio Relay League) was Pope's chief automobile engineer.

A 1911 Pope-Hartford cost $2,750 new, but by 1922 cars had become more like commodities and there were cars such my Dodge Brothers touring car:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbk1voje3d...heels.jpg?dl=0

which, although not as fancy as an earlier Pope, were built with quality, had leather upholstery and sold for only $885. In those intervening 11 years, cars like the DB became even more dependable and a lot more like a modern car to drive.
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When 7, the Dodge Bro's sample the other brand car lot was my weedy playground.
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Old November 20th 17, 02:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 5:20:50 PM UTC, wrote:
Both the Pope automobile and the Pope bicycle were made and priced as rich men's toys, before cars and bikes became commodities. The Pope was a quality vehicle and was supposedly a lot more dependable than many other cars of the time.


A $4500 bike is still a rich man's toy.

Interestingly (for any of you who are ham radio operators), Hiram Percy Maxim, W1AW (the founder of the American Radio Relay League) was Pope's chief automobile engineer.


Trivia and coincidences: one of my novels is about Sir Basil Zaharoff, a real person, who was the salesman and partner of Maxim's father, also Hiram, who invented the machine gun.
http://coolmainpress.com/THEZAHAROFFCOMMISSION.html

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbk1voje3d...heels.jpg?dl=0


Very nice indeed. Did you do any of the work yourself?

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Old November 20th 17, 01:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 11/19/2017 7:54 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 5:20:50 PM UTC, wrote:
Both the Pope automobile and the Pope bicycle were made and priced as rich men's toys, before cars and bikes became commodities. The Pope was a quality vehicle and was supposedly a lot more dependable than many other cars of the time.


A $4500 bike is still a rich man's toy.

Interestingly (for any of you who are ham radio operators), Hiram Percy Maxim, W1AW (the founder of the American Radio Relay League) was Pope's chief automobile engineer.


Trivia and coincidences: one of my novels is about Sir Basil Zaharoff, a real person, who was the salesman and partner of Maxim's father, also Hiram, who invented the machine gun.
http://coolmainpress.com/THEZAHAROFFCOMMISSION.html

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbk1voje3d...heels.jpg?dl=0


Very nice indeed. Did you do any of the work yourself?

Andre Jute
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warm reception, and made his fortune, in England.

"Whatever happens, we have got the Maxim and they have not."

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